clen vs. eca
- 04-22-2009, 05:11 PM
- 04-22-2009, 05:39 PM
04-25-2009, 01:06 AM
at 5'9 and 170 lbs you should be still trying to put on weight. In my opinion I wouldn't try clen uness you get it prescribed to you. Just stick with an e\c or e\y or you could be in jail havin somethin other than your abs ripped.
04-25-2009, 01:23 AM
04-25-2009, 03:14 AM
I'd try ECA to start off with, it's easier to control than clen.
Have you used any sort of stimlant-based fat burner before?
I'd use a low dose to assess your tolerance and work up to no more than 100mg of E per day.
There's no specific diet to use with ECA or any supplement for that matter (maybe X-factor!), if you're unsure about your diet, post it up in the diet/nutrition section for everyone to help you with.
The main point is if you're cutting make sure you're in a calorie deficit and eating enough protein otherwise all the supplements in the world won't make your abs pop
04-25-2009, 01:29 PM
04-25-2009, 02:14 PM
04-25-2009, 04:29 PM
i personally love clen therefore never had the need to use the ECY stack however, for summer time id say use the ECY i believe the half life is much shorted so IF you decided to drink it MAY be safer due to the half life
04-27-2009, 01:42 PM
bronkaid, no doz, half scoop whey
50 grams whey, 8oz skim milk, 1tbs peanut butter, sugar free instant oatmeal, 2/3 cup skim milk, 1000mg fish oil, multi vita
1 cup fat free cottage cheese, 8oz skim milk, piece of fruit
5oz chicken or beef, broclie, 1000mg fish oil
post workout: 50 grams whey, simple sugar, 8oz skim milk
50z chicken or beef, broclie, 1000mg fish oil
1 cup fat free cottage cheese, 1tbs peanut butter
04-27-2009, 01:46 PM
I would like to do something more like a recomp then cut if possible. I am not fat and like my muscle size. I just want to get ripped abs for the summer and possibly do a show at the very end of the summer.
04-27-2009, 02:26 PM
04-27-2009, 02:43 PM
04-27-2009, 03:06 PM
04-27-2009, 03:13 PM
How often are you training at the moment? I'd add in more cardio sessions if you're not losing fat at the moment and not doing daily cardio.
Are you cycling your calories/carbs? (high and low days), this can help bust through plateaus in weight loss.
If you've tried the ECA how was it?
04-27-2009, 03:54 PM
type is actually more of a ecto/endo (skinny fat) so I try to keep my carbs
kind of low. For my cardio I do maybe 2 or 3 sessions a week for 20 to 30
mins. I'm going to try to to knock it up to 4 or 5 times a week. I'm just
afraid of losing muscle. I usually weight train 5 days a week. Working 1 to 2 muscles per
session. I have only taken the EC once but it was not bad at all. It just made me feel a little
bit more awake. I took one dose of 25mg E and 200mg C. I decided to leave the asprin out.
Do you think that I should add a baby asprin in? About how many weeks should I stay on and
go off EC and how many doses a day should I get up too for a recomp.
04-28-2009, 06:01 AM
Although I'd personally like to see your training routine to make sure you couldn't just switch it up to something more relevant to your goals (fat loss).
You can use a cycling protocol (e.g. 2 weeks on, 1 week off) to keep the stimulant effects working, since you will build up a tolerance to it.
However for the purposes of fat loss, it's not necessary to cycle, just take it for as long as you need to reach your goal.
04-28-2009, 01:55 PM
04-28-2009, 08:57 PM
I'll probably go up to 5 days of cardio then. Maybe six. Should I go for 30mins or longer? In the morning or post workout?
I train chest and tris on monday, back and bis on tuesday, legs wednesday, shoulders and traps thursday, and arms on Friday. Sometimes I just go 5 days on and one day off. I love to be in the gym and I rarely feel over trained. I know I cant do this forever but im young. I am willing to try anything that works though.
I am going to take 1 dose a day for two day followed by 2 doses a day for two day and then 3 doses everyday after until I reach 4 weeks. After this I'll either discontinue the EC if I am where I want to be or take two weeks off and then resume it until I reach my goals.
04-28-2009, 09:41 PM
ive been on an ecy stack for almost a week now. i seem to have lost a TON of muscle and not much fat. i spent a month or two cutting on dcp and some random fatburners before this and made way more progress without much muscle loss.. i really dont get it. i havent changed anything else. are u noticing any muscle loss from the ec?
04-28-2009, 09:45 PM
04-28-2009, 10:00 PM
Clen is harsher as in terms of sides. You pay a price, the better the results, the higher the price. I like the shaking from Clen, I just hate having to write while on it. My letters do the jitter bug dance. I think, ECA w/ DCP was pretty damn good sh!t bro. 6-7lbs in a month, on a controlled diet! of maybe 300 calorie deficit.
04-28-2009, 10:21 PM
Im actually cutting on an ec stack as we speak and compared to my one run with clen i can say that i like ec much more. As far as clen goes yes it is powerfull and the sides are some that are almost to much to handle as far the sides on ec my first two nights i had trouble sleeping third night i took a normal dossage of melatonin and slept like a baby fat is flying off and cant complain
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