Clen vs ECA
- 04-13-2009, 08:01 PM
Clen vs ECA
I've got some old school ephedra pills, 25mg a pop of ephedra with 300mg of caffeine, well at least that's what the label says. Should I stick with a ECA stack or try out Clen? I've been using ephedra for as long as I can remember and tolerate it like drinking a mountain dew. I've got about 15 lbs to drop. Any suggestions?
- 04-13-2009, 09:12 PM
Well you cant even really compare the two... the sides of clen are much more harsh than eca as well as the half life of clen is like 4 times eca
id stick with the eca, just cause you dont feel it doesnt mean its not working... take 3 doses a day
04-14-2009, 04:14 PM
Clen is a weird drug. I compare ECA and clen to the tortoise and the hare. Clen is the tortoise and ECA the hare. ECA hits hard and fast but the fat burning effects are short lived without multiple doses, clen on the other hand works day and night to a lesser degree. I had great results with clen but don't think i can handle it anymore. I dont deal well with stims at this point in my life. I am slightly concerned that clen could damage the heart in some way also, i havent experienced it(that I know of) but i wonder sometimes. Of course ECA isnt exactly candy, it can be dangerous as well. Make your decision wisely, neither of these will work a miracle and the same results could be garnered by taking a week or two longer on the diet without stims.
04-14-2009, 04:51 PM
I just ran Clen, so damn shakey I couldn't even take a clear picture with the camera on my phone, wicked ****! Worked well though.
04-14-2009, 05:06 PM
It also makes you very sleepy and tired. For the first day or two you are wired, then your brain compensates for the constant stimulation and releases serotonin to bring you back to homeostasis. This causes you to be groggy. I describe the feeling as your mind being groggy and tired, but your body sped up and shakey. I used to sleep a lot on clen and had some CRAZY dreams. Very vivid and most of the time nightmares.
I also believe clen to be slightly anabolic, or in the very least anti-catabolic. It is a good drug if it can be tolerated and the individual doesnt overdose.
04-14-2009, 05:48 PM
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04-15-2009, 10:53 AM
I dose in the a.m. Start at 40mcg, ramp up ED 20mcg in the a.m. until you get the jitters, and or slight muscle cramping, which I never had. Just shakey as hell.
04-15-2009, 11:51 AM
04-15-2009, 12:05 PM
I like the eca at 25/200/325 x 2 aday for normal function and training....
i use the clen when im super hydrating for a weight cut at 125 mcg per day..the clen makes my head hurt so bad even with taurine i still cramp a bit im not sure why it does this to me now...they are both good but tweaking your diet is a better fix imo
04-15-2009, 12:21 PM
04-15-2009, 02:07 PM
Looks like I'm going with Albuterol. What do I need to take with it? I noticed that T3 and Keto are always tossed around with Clen, should I be getting some of that for Albuterol too?
04-15-2009, 02:32 PM
04-15-2009, 03:28 PM
thanks man, but I meant the dosages and timing for a ECY stack, im not going to touch Clen for a while
04-15-2009, 03:42 PM
You shouldn't really go above 100mg Ephedrine a day, so it's best to start out with smaller dosages and work your way up.
Your Ephedrine tablets' dosages are will determine how often to administer it during the day.
For instance, my tablets are 25mg each, therefore I'd take a maximum of 4 tablets a day.
With each Ephedrine tablet you should dose your caffeine in a 1:10 ratio. So for a 25mg tablet 200mg of caffeine is enough.
The max dosages for Yohimbine HCL/day are 0.2mg/kg bodyweight, so for you (100kg) that would be a max dosage of 20mg per day. Just divide this number by the doses of ephedrine and caffeine for the day.
I'd space out all the dosages by 3-4 hours (ephedrine has a half-life of 3-6 hours) and take your last dose by 4-5pm (depending on when you go to bed).
Example day (3 doses).
Ephedrine - 25/25/25
Caffeine - 200/200/200
Yohimbine - 5/5/5
Enjoy the fat loss
04-15-2009, 04:03 PM
Yeah, taurine for cramping is good with clen. It depletes your taurine levels. I personally always started at 20mcg the first two days then slowly went up to 100mcg. Better to take too little than too much. Also the spiropent clen i used to get never caused headaches for me but the liquid stuff makes my head feel like its about to explode.
Albuterol is close to the same as clen, but its half life is much, much shorter. Ive never taken it but it kind of defeats the purpose of clen which works for you 24/7 for two weeks. Not saying its useless but ECA is probably more effective IMO.
04-15-2009, 04:32 PM
Sorry to hijack,
but its the clen syrup that everyone is mixing with the Napalm???????
Trying to find it on the web, need to hit that last bit of belly fat, right on my belly button.
Any Tips for Mixing % once I find the stuff!!!
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