ketosis

[PhysiqueFreak]

The 58% conversion rate of protein-glucose is referencing the liver's pathway of gluconeogenesis, that being the alanine-glucose pathway. There are seventeen amino-acids which are considered glucogenic [ability to convert to glucose] but alanine is the only amino-acid which the liver can directly convert to glucose; the others are first deaminated into intermediates of the Krebs/TCA, and then can be reanimated into alanine. Essentially, this means that using protein sources high in leucine, isoleucine, valine and so on and so on is unlikely to remove one from Ketosis via excessive gluconeogenesis. This characterizes BCAA as a valuable asset during Ketosis - one can supplement dietary intake of whole-food protein with "between-meal" BCAA intake!

nice. pretty informative

[maurice02]

I am getting a bit confused here. Isn't this diet based mainly on fat and protein intake with the elimination of carbs? Thus your diet is practically all protein and fat......and from what I remember with atkins to get to keto you were allowed as much protein as you wanted.

[crazyfool405]

there are flaws with atkins

the fat should be different and portions still have to be "normal" just because you can eat 36 ounces of steak doesnt mean you should.

[andrew732]

well, the first half isn't true thats the whole point behind ketosis, is not having carbs perhaps during exercise a small amount of protein does get turned to glucose, but that is not likely to be a big amount.

But as far as meals go, someone taking in 50+g of protein in a single meal could have as much of 20-30g of it converted to glucose thru gluconeogenesis, which is likely enough to kick you out of ketosis.

I never said to take carbs my friend, all I said is THROUGH carbs and proteins does the body convert it to glucose, ya diggz

[kingjameskjf]

When you start CKD it takes about 2-3 days to enter ketosis, around 3 weeks give or take to get to the deepest part of ketosis (which is where the brain will use the highest amount of ketones that it generally will ever) and the body runs off of FFA's. From a carb load you can rebound in a day back to ketosis most likely.

Good info, thanks bro!

The anabolic diet says to go 12 days with less than 30g of carbs a day when you first start the diet, so I'm assuming somewhere around 10-15 days before you're glycogen stores are fully depleted. Also dependent on what kind of lifting and cardio you do.

I lift 3-4 times a week. For cardio, I play tennis twice a week and basketball once a week.

I am getting a bit confused here. Isn't this diet based mainly on fat and protein intake with the elimination of carbs? Thus your diet is practically all protein and fat......and from what I remember with atkins to get to keto you were allowed as much protein as you wanted.

This is what I thought. Now it looks like too much protein is bad!? I'm getting confused because that will leave me with just about nothing to eat but lard, lol! Please help me understand this more, it's still new to me and I was also under the assumption that it was pretty much the same thing as the Atkin's diet with small differences. Also, if anybody could help me understand what kind of meal plan I should look at, i.e. macros? I will rep any help (yes I know my reps are small but they are much larger on three other boards and can do it there too!)

[maurice02]

what kind of weekly weight loss is typical with ketosis? 2 - 3 pounds safely before being concerned of muscle loss?

[EasyEJL]

This is what I thought. Now it looks like too much protein is bad!? I'm getting confused because that will leave me with just about nothing to eat but lard, lol! Please help me understand this more, it's still new to me and I was also under the assumption that it was pretty much the same thing as the Atkin's diet with small differences. Also, if anybody could help me understand what kind of meal plan I should look at, i.e. macros? I will rep any help (yes I know my reps are small but they are much larger on three other boards and can do it there too!)

Any of the nuts are good, avocados, coconut oil, olive oil, etc. An excess of protein can make it harder to get into ketosis and possibly kick you out. On a true CKD, you want to stay under 30g net carbs for the day, and .8g/lb of protein. the rest is fats.

what kind of weekly weight loss is typical with ketosis? 2 - 3 pounds safely before being concerned of muscle loss?

yeah, that is quite possible. basically if you are truly in ketosis, you can start clipping calories down and if you are using ketostixs to be sure you are staying in ketosis then you can continue dropping calories with minimal concern about loosing muscle. you can even get protein down to as low as .6g/lb if you aren't doing really heavy workouts (like if you are just doing circuit training)

[MrBrightside]

You're keto on the anabolic diet, aren't you? What's the deal with the protein intake then, doesn't that kind of conflict?

[EasyEJL]

no, the anabolic diet isn't keto.

[MrBrightside]

Oh wow. That's pretty integral to the diet, I can't believe I thought wrong. Thanks.

[EasyEJL]

its a bouncy carb diet so although there are low carb days, and its possible for you to go into ketosis during it, that isn't its primary goal and it doesn't fail if you dont reach ketosis. its more about optimizing hormones

[kingjameskjf]

its a bouncy carb diet so although there are low carb days, and its possible for you to go into ketosis during it, that isn't its primary goal and it doesn't fail if you dont reach ketosis. its more about optimizing hormones

Thanks for the help bro!

[ThomasRivera]

You're keto on the anabolic diet, aren't you? What's the deal with the protein intake then, doesn't that kind of conflict?

cyclic ketogenic diet is the category that AD falls under. CKD diets fall under the general layout of being a set of low carb days, maybe with a day with a small carb up if the amount of low carb days are wide and is followed by a carb load. TKD diets utilize carbs before and after workouts to keep glycogen levels at somewhere of a set point. Pure keto diets which I don't think work as well as CKD keeps you low carb without carb ups.

I think ketogenic diets are misnomers, mainly because the actual amount of ketones utilized on AD or other CKD diets doesn't come close to matching the calorie expenditure of FFA's.