Upcoming Clen Cycle

[WeightShift]

I've run two clen cycles in the past and I'm about to start another one on the 15th. I wanted to go ahead and get this posted to get some feedback on my plan. I'll probably maintain a log here as well for those interested.

I'm going to run it for 3 weeks with the possibility of a 4th week depending on how stable the upregulation of beta-2s go. I'll be taking my temperature twice a day (am & pm) as well as checking my blood pressure.

Each dose will be split 2-3 times throughout the day. My tolerance has already been assessed from past runs.
Week 1 (Clen): 40/60/80/100/100/100/100
Week 2-4* (Clen): 100mcg
Week 3 (Benadryll): 75mg ED
Week 4: Assuming my temperature is still elevated: 100mcg
Week 1-4: 5g Taurine ED

I'll be downing around 2 gallons of water a day. I'll be eating 300 calories below maintenance but may scale up to maintenance depending on my energy levels. I'll be doing daily cardio with BCAAs and protein before and after to reduce catabolism as much as possible. Regardless of clen's pseudo-anabolism, lots of cardio and a hypocaloric diet will cause catabolism.

Pictures and stats will be posted closer to start. Constructive feedback is welcome.

 

[LuckyKid57]

Subbed. I am hoping to start my first clen cycle in the near future so I will be following this pretty closely and maybe PMing you some questions. Good luck with whatever your goals are!

 

[Schecterx]

I'm going to start clen on my 2nd week of PCT for hdrol. hope it goes well for u

 

[bigschmidt821]

i am gonna watch this for sure definatley something i wanna learn more about!

 

[Problem]

Why don't you do 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off (EC stack in this break), and then back 2 weeks on clen.

You prolly get better results doing it this way.

 

[WeightShift]

Appreciate the feedback, everyone.

I think the 2 on 2 off is a bit overrated. My temperature only degraded by 3/10ths during the third week of my last run which is till plenty high enough to increase BMR. If for some reason, I downregulate too harshly and I'm not getting an acceptable read on my temperature, I'll go ahead and stop for a week while dosing benadryll.

As well, running ECA during time off would be counter-productive. You presumably take time off to allow receptor turnover, but ephedrine acts on the same beta 2s as clen. Taking ephedrine would further saturate the beta 2 receptors (more widely so than clen by itself).

Goals: I just finished a short bulk to test my caloric threshold an also just got done dealing with a few unrelated medical issues. I put a bit of a spare tire on that I'm ready to get rid of. I'm in law school and taking finals right now, so I'll get started once they're over.

 

[Schecterx]

hurray for clen, lets see the results

 

[bigschmidt821]

what is generally the best dosage to use? also for support what is good?

 

[WeightShift]

what is generally the best dosage to use? also for support what is good?

Clen is basically a concentrated stimulant. Everybody's tolerance will be different. Some people have to use low doses (40-60mcg) while other can tolerate as high as 250mcg ED. The sweet spot seems to be from 90-110mcg ED (for me atleast).

Generally, if you've never done clen before, you want to do a taper on your first week starting as low as possible and then increasing until you begin to feel sides (shakes, nausea, restlessness, etc). Something like this initially: 20/40/60/etc.

Once you get to the dose you're comfortable with, just stick with it every day through the cycle. Then, the next time you do a clen cycle, you can just start at that dose instead of tapering.

There is a rule of thumb that some people use which says you should take half your body weight (in lbs). If you weigh 200, you should take 100mcg ED. However, its just that, a rule of thumb. Each person will be different.

 

[bigschmidt821]

now in should you taper done once you are ending the cycle?

 

[Hank Vangut]

also for support what is good?

taurine.

 

[WeightShift]

No need to taper off. There won't be any sufficient thyroid interference.

With that said, thanks Hank. I forgot to answer the second part!

Clen rapidly depletes taurine from your body which can result in cramping. Drink lots of water and take taurine to eliminate that. As well, you could throw in some Tyrosine to ensure your Thyroid remains at 100%. Clen slows the conversion of T4 to T3 but there really isn't any sort of significant shutdown going on. Further, the thyroid is extremely resilient contra to, say, the HPTA.

 

[Problem]

Appreciate the feedback, everyone.

I think the 2 on 2 off is a bit overrated. My temperature only degraded by 3/10ths during the third week of my last run which is till plenty high enough to increase BMR. If for some reason, I downregulate too harshly and I'm not getting an acceptable read on my temperature, I'll go ahead and stop for a week while dosing benadryll.

As well, running ECA during time off would be counter-productive. You presumably take time off to allow receptor turnover, but ephedrine acts on the same beta 2s as clen. Taking ephedrine would further saturate the beta 2 receptors (more widely so than clen by itself).

Goals: I just finished a short bulk to test my caloric threshold an also just got done dealing with a few unrelated medical issues. I put a bit of a spare tire on that I'm ready to get rid of. I'm in law school and taking finals right now, so I'll get started once they're over.

That's not 100% true.

Clen has a direct influence on the beta 2 recptores in muscle and fat tissue where in contrast, Ephedrine is a poor ligand for the beta 2 receptor. It is tottally indirect. I'm not going to go into how ECA work, but anyway.

Some people take ECA stack for months and still feel its effect. You can't do that with clen because it downregulate the beta recptores much much much FASTER than ECA stack.

Goodluck on this cycle bro !

 

[Schecterx]

i wanna fast forward and see how u are

 

[WeightShift]

Thanks Problem.

You're right that Ephedrine is slower to desensitize; however, if your receptors are already downgraded to the point of null-effect, then taking ephedrine will still perpetuate that standing desensitization.

 

[Omen]

This thread is full of awful advice.

Read the link below before you start your cycle.

Spiropent Clenbuterol Clen Anabolic Steroids Profile

 

[WeightShift]

This thread is full of awful advice.

Read the link below before you start your cycle.

Spiropent Clenbuterol Clen Anabolic Steroids Profile

Care to point out what parts of the advice are so awful?

I've done this in the past with great results and I've definitely done my research. If you'd like to counter a point here, please do as continued learning is part of the process.

 

[Omen]

Care to point out what parts of the advice are so awful?

I've done this in the past with great results and I've definitely done my research. If you'd like to counter a point here, please do as continued learning is part of the process.

My bad bro, if it worked, then you're doing something right.

Good luck! :thumbsup:

 

[WeightShift]

My bad bro, if it worked, then you're doing something right.

Good luck! :thumbsup:

I didn't mean to sound conceited or abrasive, man. If you have advice or see something blatantly wrong, I'd love to hear it. I posted here for that reason! Safety always comes first.

 

[Omen]

I didn't mean to sound conceited or abrasive, man. If you have advice or see something blatantly wrong, I'd love to hear it. I posted here for that reason! Safety always comes first.

You weren't conceited or abrasive.

I didn't bother posting a reply because you didn't bother reading the link or your reply woulda been different.

Read the link, you will have questions, post them and I will answer those questions.

 

[WeightShift]

You weren't conceited or abrasive.

I didn't bother posting a reply because you didn't bother reading the link or your reply woulda been different.

Read the link, you will have questions, post them and I will answer those questions.

That link is what I primarily used when I was originally researching Clen. I just re-read it and still do not see what you're picking up on that I'm missing.

The only three things I thought of were:

1) Timing of benadryl. Instead of using a static start date, just do so once temperature has declined back to normal.

2) No need to really exercise during the first two weeks as the effect will already be maximized.

3) Length of cycle could be stretched out towards 8 weeks to take advantage of clen's pseudo-anabolic properties.

In my research, all of these are subject to an individual's preference. So give me a heads up as to what I'm missing for my sake and the people who are reading this.

Appreciate your input, bud.

 

[Omen]

That link is what I primarily used when I was originally researching Clen. I just re-read it and still do not see what you're picking up on that I'm missing.

The only three things I thought of were:

1) Timing of benadryl. Instead of using a static start date, just do so once temperature has declined back to normal.

2) No need to really exercise during the first two weeks as the effect will already be maximized.

3) Length of cycle could be stretched out towards 8 weeks to take advantage of clen's pseudo-anabolic properties.

In my research, all of these are subject to an individual's preference. So give me a heads up as to what I'm missing for my sake and the people who are reading this.

Appreciate your input, bud.

Mainly, it was the ECA 2 weeks/Clen thing...

A good clen cycle IMO is 10 weeks, with ketotifen(preferred) or benadryl.

AM/PM readings should be taken for a week prior to the cycle and an average number in those 14 readings used. Do the same measuring for the first week on Clen use the average number from the readings.

Once it goes down to normal W/O Clen use the Ketotifen until it comes back up to the average reading of week 1 on Clen.

Add Taurine 3-5 grams, Potassium(lite salt/salt substitute), drink some diet tonic water, take ZMA and some Iodine.

Clen/Albuterol seem to not work best with Keto diets, I'm assuming this might enhance the T3 slowing down from the Clen+caloric deficit.

Also in the week you run the bendryl with the Clen, say you decide your temp has gone too low, so you decide this night, you're taking the bendryl.

You stop taking it when the temperature is again elevated to "normal" (usually a week or so) from day 1-4 on benadryl it doesn't affect the cycle/fat loss if the dose is reduced by 20-120 mcg (saving money to extend cycle and giving the heart a little rest from a drug that was never approved in humans because of heart cell death...but works so well!) 40-60 mcg reduction for your tolerance for the first 4 days sounds reasonable.

Basically, that will maximize your effects, making sure you get the very best out of your cycle, Clen/Albuterol are weak drugs compared to some of the others out there so I always try to make sure I get the best out of them whenever I decide to run them

No point in wasting $200-$400 for results that coulda been obtained by just diet/training/cardio.

 

[Problem]

Before i start, no one studied clen and its effect on human. I'm not a horse nor a rat.

I'm no animal expert BUT animals have more beta-2 receptors and they cause certain event chains that humans’ beta-2 receptors may not, due to their relatively high concentrations.

Conclusion of the article is:

If you are not planning to use benadryll or keto then 2 weeks on 2 weeks off is what will work. Hence, he said take benadryll every 3rd week cause he's sure that clen loses its effect after week 2. I have no clue why he said 2 weeks off 2 weeks on is useless. He was contradicting himself IMO.

Good article though. I love to read new stuff.

 

[WeightShift]

Thanks for the feedback and time taken guys!

I don't necessarily see where any of that contradicts anything in my cycle, but I'll review it a few more time prior to starting.

As well, though that guy appreciates longer cycles (most likely due to competition prep), I'm simply running a short cutter utilizing clen's most potent timestamp.

Also, liquid clen is pretty cheap. I'm not sure where you got $200-400 estimate from; however, I'm definitely going to look into ZMAs synergy while on clen.

Thanks again.

 

[Problem]

Link me to the log when you start it !!!

 

[WeightShift]

No problem, Problem (Rep for cheese!). Haha.

I can't wait to get to get this weight midget off my back.

 

[j bizzle]

never taken it before but im going on a cruise in 3 weeks and have it available. how much would this help me cut? im 6'4" 248 lbs and would like to get down to about 235 for the cruise. what are common side effects. most importantly what do these pills look like and how many mcg's are in the pills?
a friend has some but doesnt know much about them and is wanting to get rid of them. how much do they go for? any help is apprecicated.
thanks guys
Jake

ps. what is this talk about taking "benadryl" about? what are the basics i need to know about this. im kind of in a time crunch. anything else i should really know? or be ware of?

 

[FlawedGrunt]

^^^ you hardly look like you need clen lol

 

[WeightShift]

never taken it before but im going on a cruise in 3 weeks and have it available. how much would this help me cut? im 6'4" 248 lbs and would like to get down to about 235 for the cruise. what are common side effects. most importantly what do these pills look like and how many mcg's are in the pills?
a friend has some but doesnt know much about them and is wanting to get rid of them. how much do they go for? any help is apprecicated.
thanks guys
Jake

ps. what is this talk about taking "benadryl" about? what are the basics i need to know about this. im kind of in a time crunch. anything else i should really know? or be ware of?

Clen isn't something I would want to jump right in. Like any other controlled substance, you need to be vigilant about it. You won't lose 13lbs of fat in two weeks, but you will lose atleast half assuming you have diet in order.

Side-effects are classic stimulant sides: nausea, shaking, sweats, restlessness but most importantly elevated blood pressure.

I don't use pills, only liquid. Dosing is same regardless. Taper up in your first week to assess tolerance and you can max out as high as 200mcg/ed depending on your tolerance. Obviously, that high isn't safe. Stay around ~100 for optimum safety to benefit ratio.

Clen begins to desensitize your beta-2 receptors after 2 weeks, so benadryl or keto can be used to upregulate those receptors resulting in prolonged benefits.

In my opinion, you aren't ready to just jump on clen, but I'm guessing you'll do so regardless so I'd rather you be prepared. Just follow the cycle I posted but stop at two weeks (so no benadryl will be needed).

 

[crazyfool405]

clens fat loss properties do diminish after 2 weeks but the anabolic effects keep coming (in my experience with still getting stronger) but i use clen every day as in the dave palumbo protocol.

 

[WeightShift]

clens fat loss properties do diminish after 2 weeks but the anabolic effects keep coming (in my experience with still getting stronger) but i use clen every day as in the dave palumbo protocol.

If I remember correctly, doesn't Palumbo advocate running clen for several months at a time? Like upwards of 16 weeks? He's the man.

I think the fat-burning properties of clen are sustained as long as two months. Not as drastic as they are initially, but there is still an elevation in mitochondrial activity there enough to increase BMR. At a point, the fat loss:cost ratio obviously is too lopsided (which I think is around 5 weeks).

However, if you're trying to get its anabolic properties, we're talking 6-8 weeks at least.

 

[Schecterx]

but there is still an elevation in mitochondrial activity there enough to increase BMR.

Lol i totally thought i seen MitoCHLORIAN

use the force:dump:

 

[WeightShift]

I'm on cloud nine right now. I've been on TRT for awhile now. My HPTA has been shutdown for a few years my last blood test came back today and showed a 100pt increase in my testosterone production. I thought my MPH was shut down permanently and I'd be on TRT for the extent of my life.

I'm thoroughly optimistic that things are finally beginning to come back together for me. I can finally get this disgusting fat off of me without fighting tooth and nail against my estrogenic onslaught. I'm giving myself 60 days to get back to a weight I'll feel confident at (~170).

I'll be keeping my Omega 3-6-9 uptake pretty high during this cut to ensure my hormones stay healthy and continue to rise so this may counteract some of my fat loss, but I'm still confident I'll be able to drop at least 6lbs of fat in the first two weeks.

 

[WeightShift]

Here are the averages from twice a day measurements (AM & PM) over the last seven days.

Temperature: 98.8
Blood Pressure: 112/58
Pulse: 72

 

[Orangepeel]

clens fat loss properties do diminish after 2 weeks but the anabolic effects keep coming (in my experience with still getting stronger) but i use clen every day as in the dave palumbo protocol.

Clen tends to help me with strength gains at 40MCG, when I go higher, it doesn't seems to have an anabolic effect.

 

[crazyfool405]

Clen tends to help me with strength gains at 40MCG, when I go higher, it doesn't seems to have an anabolic effect.

its possible, however i dont notice when the effects kick in or stop as far as anabolic properties. but i up my dose by 20mcg every 2 weeks,

 

[WeightShift]

It has begun.

Weight (AM): 180.2
Temperature: Within average range.
Blood Pressure: 104/54 *Note at bottom of post.

I took 40mcg this morning at about 11AM. By noon shakes set in. Nothing severe, just shaky hands and a general feeling of unease at first. I've been through it before, so I adjusted quickly. Shakes are still with me at the time of this post. No other issues.

I did manual labor outside from 12-5. Raked the front/back yard which is pretty large. Hauled the bags down the road. Repaired a few rotten boards out on the dock. Worked up a pretty good sweat. I'll tell you though, I felt in the zone. Almost the feeling of being on ADD meds. I had tons of energy and just stayed the course til it was done.

Once that was done, I had a snack, took my second dose of 1.5g taurine, and jumped on he treadmill. Did 20 minutes at 7mph. No difference in performance here. If anything, I felt like my legs tightened up quicker than usual.

As for food, so far, I've had 4 small meals about 350 calories each. I'm about to eat some vegetable soup and will ultimately tip about 1800cals for the night. All clean except for a few reduced fat cheez-its (my weakness).

*Regarding my blood pressure, my systolic is always in a healthy range though my diastolic is always slightly low. Every doctor I've ever seen has said my blood pressure is fine. Unless I see a much lower diastolic reading in the future, I won't let this be of any concern.

 

[clenson0809]

good luck WeighShift! I'm excited about getting on my cycle of clen for the first time beginning of January. Ill probably do some circuit training in the mornings before my classes after i take my doses. Is there any good diet while on clen? or basically minimizing caloric intake and avoiding processed foods.

 

[WeightShift]

good luck WeighShift! I'm excited about getting on my cycle of clen for the first time beginning of January. Ill probably do some circuit training in the mornings before my classes after i take my doses. Is there any good diet while on clen? or basically minimizing caloric intake and avoiding processed foods.

You can diet as you usually do. Clen basically just raises your basal metabolic rate so you'd have to eat more than usual to stay maintenance. If you feel too lethargic, you'll probably have to eat a few more carbs than usual to make sure you're able to get up and work out.

 

[WeightShift]

Day 2

Weight: 178.4 (sucking the water out of me)
Temp: Within Average
BP: 110/56

I went ahead and upped the dose to 80mcg, skipping the 60mcg increment since I felt so good yesterday. Per usual, the shakes set in but you don't really notice them unless you focus on it. At one point, I was handing a bill to a cashier and she noticed it and asked if I had the flu, lol.

My temperature has still been normal, even low at times today. Oddly enough though, I was dumping out sweat while working. My hair looked like I took a shower. That isn't normal for me. So I'm not sure why my temperature isn't showing the added thermogenesis.

As for the workload, I was outside most of the day doing a little bit of everything. I was on the roof cleaning gutters, then I was on a ladder cutting tree limbs, then I was hauling 70lb bags of pecans to a shed and finished it off by spraying weeds around a 300 yard perimeter. Once I got home I ran for 20 minutes at 7mph.

I had no problem sleeping last night. Fell asleep and stayed asleep.

Using clen is like using an ECA stack they doesn't wear off in a couple of hours. It really is great. I feel energized and focused all day with no crash and no sleep issues. I did notice my ass on the verge of cramping a few times as well as my shoulders, oddly enough - presumably because they were getting worked hard today. I went ahead and upped my taurine to 5g from 3g. Drinking around 2 gallons daily.

So far, so good.

 

[giantbrandon]

good thread, ive just started my second cycle of clen and my layout is pretty much the same as yours

 

[crazyfool405]

Day 2

Weight: 178.4 (sucking the water out of me)
Temp: Within Average
BP: 110/56

I went ahead and upped the dose to 80mcg, skipping the 60mcg increment since I felt so good yesterday. Per usual, the shakes set in but you don't really notice them unless you focus on it. At one point, I was handing a bill to a cashier and she noticed it and asked if I had the flu, lol.

My temperature has still been normal, even low at times today. Oddly enough though, I was dumping out sweat while working. My hair looked like I took a shower. That isn't normal for me. So I'm not sure why my temperature isn't showing the added thermogenesis.

As for the workload, I was outside most of the day doing a little bit of everything. I was on the roof cleaning gutters, then I was on a ladder cutting tree limbs, then I was hauling 70lb bags of pecans to a shed and finished it off by spraying weeds around a 300 yard perimeter. Once I got home I ran for 20 minutes at 7mph.

I had no problem sleeping last night. Fell asleep and stayed asleep.

Using clen is like using an ECA stack they doesn't wear off in a couple of hours. It really is great. I feel energized and focused all day with no crash and no sleep issues. I did notice my ass on the verge of cramping a few times as well as my shoulders, oddly enough - presumably because they were getting worked hard today. I went ahead and upped my taurine to 5g from 3g. Drinking around 2 gallons daily.

So far, so good.

u should split you doses into 20mcg increments.
:thumbsup:

 

[WeightShift]

u should split you doses into 20mcg increments.
:thumbsup:

Yea, I'd say half the people do it that way and the other half take it at once. I'm trying to take my full dose prior to 2PM to avoid fitful sleep. The half-life is ~9 hours so one dose should get you almost all the way to your next dose.

What's your experience with splitting it up?

@Giant: Feel free to chime in with anything going on in your cycle as well, bud. How far into your cycle are you, what's the current dose and is your temperature elevated?

 

[crazyfool405]

Yea, I'd say half the people do it that way and the other half take it at once. I'm trying to take my full dose prior to 2PM to avoid fitful sleep. The half-life is ~9 hours so one dose should get you almost all the way to your next dose.

What's your experience with splitting it up?

@Giant: Feel free to chime in with anything going on in your cycle as well, bud. How far into your cycle are you, what's the current dose and is your temperature elevated?

half life is 36 hours

splitting it up worked, i never took it anyother way,

palumbo seems to not dose it that way, and for him not to do it that way there may be something wrong with it,

Brachycardia was observed instead of tetrycardia
(sP)?

beginnning of paget 2

 

[WeightShift]

Thanks for the info.

Once again though, we're talking doses that are above your bodyweight in milligrams, for much longer periods of time and on subjects which have more concentrated beta-2 receptors.

Is the half life really 36 hours? I was thinking that was just the active life.

Here's a question though: what difference is going to be made if you take on dose, or take multiple smaller doses which will not "burn-out" before the next dose is administered anyway? You'll still have the cumulative effect taking place. Am I missing something?

 

[crazyfool405]

Thanks for the info.

Once again though, we're talking doses that are above your bodyweight in milligrams, for much longer periods of time and on subjects which have more concentrated beta-2 receptors.

Is the half life really 36 hours? I was thinking that was just the active life.

Here's a question though: what difference is going to be made if you take on dose, or take multiple smaller doses which will not "burn-out" before the next dose is administered anyway? You'll still have the cumulative effect taking place. Am I missing something?

taking too much at once can slow heart rate,

wikipedia says 36 hours or 34 hours,

http://www.bionity.com/lexikon/e/Clenbuterol/

 

[WeightShift]

taking too much at once can slow heart rate,

wikipedia says 36 hours or 34 hours,

http://www.bionity.com/lexikon/e/Clenbuterol/

I guess I'm having a difficult time grasping why one large dose is anymore likely to cause cardiovascular issues than taking smaller doses which will culminate to the same effect due to the extensive half-life. Regardless, I went ahead and took half a dose this morning (50mcg) and I'll take the next dose around 1:30PM.

I had to take my clen on an empty stomach due to a dentist appointment. Other than some water and taurine, my gullet was void. Never do that. I felt like I was a walking earthquake. I was shaking like a maniac until I ate something and now its just the same tremors as usual.

 

[Schecterx]

lol @ walking earthquake.

 

[giantbrandon]

I always take mine on an empty stomach is this a bad thing

 

[WeightShift]

I always take mine on an empty stomach is this a bad thing

Not a bad thing if you can tolerate it. In the past, it has made me nauseated and today I felt like I had Huntington's Disease walking around.

Full update before I hit the sack tonight.