Upcoming Clen Cycle
- 12-08-2008, 04:18 PM
- 12-10-2008, 01:02 AM
never taken it before but im going on a cruise in 3 weeks and have it available. how much would this help me cut? im 6'4" 248 lbs and would like to get down to about 235 for the cruise. what are common side effects. most importantly what do these pills look like and how many mcg's are in the pills?
a friend has some but doesnt know much about them and is wanting to get rid of them. how much do they go for? any help is apprecicated.
ps. what is this talk about taking "benadryl" about? what are the basics i need to know about this. im kind of in a time crunch. anything else i should really know? or be ware of?
12-10-2008, 02:12 AM
12-10-2008, 02:20 PM
Side-effects are classic stimulant sides: nausea, shaking, sweats, restlessness but most importantly elevated blood pressure.
I don't use pills, only liquid. Dosing is same regardless. Taper up in your first week to assess tolerance and you can max out as high as 200mcg/ed depending on your tolerance. Obviously, that high isn't safe. Stay around ~100 for optimum safety to benefit ratio.
Clen begins to desensitize your beta-2 receptors after 2 weeks, so benadryl or keto can be used to upregulate those receptors resulting in prolonged benefits.
In my opinion, you aren't ready to just jump on clen, but I'm guessing you'll do so regardless so I'd rather you be prepared. Just follow the cycle I posted but stop at two weeks (so no benadryl will be needed).
12-10-2008, 03:16 PM
clens fat loss properties do diminish after 2 weeks but the anabolic effects keep coming (in my experience with still getting stronger) but i use clen every day as in the dave palumbo protocol.
12-10-2008, 03:22 PM
I think the fat-burning properties of clen are sustained as long as two months. Not as drastic as they are initially, but there is still an elevation in mitochondrial activity there enough to increase BMR. At a point, the fat loss:cost ratio obviously is too lopsided (which I think is around 5 weeks).
However, if you're trying to get its anabolic properties, we're talking 6-8 weeks at least.
12-10-2008, 04:29 PM
12-13-2008, 01:13 AM
I'm on cloud nine right now. I've been on TRT for awhile now. My HPTA has been shutdown for a few years my last blood test came back today and showed a 100pt increase in my testosterone production. I thought my MPH was shut down permanently and I'd be on TRT for the extent of my life.
I'm thoroughly optimistic that things are finally beginning to come back together for me. I can finally get this disgusting fat off of me without fighting tooth and nail against my estrogenic onslaught. I'm giving myself 60 days to get back to a weight I'll feel confident at (~170).
I'll be keeping my Omega 3-6-9 uptake pretty high during this cut to ensure my hormones stay healthy and continue to rise so this may counteract some of my fat loss, but I'm still confident I'll be able to drop at least 6lbs of fat in the first two weeks.
12-14-2008, 04:47 PM
Here are the averages from twice a day measurements (AM & PM) over the last seven days.
Blood Pressure: 112/58
12-14-2008, 08:20 PM
12-14-2008, 10:27 PM
12-15-2008, 06:45 PM
It has begun.
Weight (AM): 180.2
Temperature: Within average range.
Blood Pressure: 104/54 *Note at bottom of post.
I took 40mcg this morning at about 11AM. By noon shakes set in. Nothing severe, just shaky hands and a general feeling of unease at first. I've been through it before, so I adjusted quickly. Shakes are still with me at the time of this post. No other issues.
I did manual labor outside from 12-5. Raked the front/back yard which is pretty large. Hauled the bags down the road. Repaired a few rotten boards out on the dock. Worked up a pretty good sweat. I'll tell you though, I felt in the zone. Almost the feeling of being on ADD meds. I had tons of energy and just stayed the course til it was done.
Once that was done, I had a snack, took my second dose of 1.5g taurine, and jumped on he treadmill. Did 20 minutes at 7mph. No difference in performance here. If anything, I felt like my legs tightened up quicker than usual.
As for food, so far, I've had 4 small meals about 350 calories each. I'm about to eat some vegetable soup and will ultimately tip about 1800cals for the night. All clean except for a few reduced fat cheez-its (my weakness).
*Regarding my blood pressure, my systolic is always in a healthy range though my diastolic is always slightly low. Every doctor I've ever seen has said my blood pressure is fine. Unless I see a much lower diastolic reading in the future, I won't let this be of any concern.
12-16-2008, 02:25 AM
good luck WeighShift! I'm excited about getting on my cycle of clen for the first time beginning of January. Ill probably do some circuit training in the mornings before my classes after i take my doses. Is there any good diet while on clen? or basically minimizing caloric intake and avoiding processed foods.
12-16-2008, 10:37 AM
12-16-2008, 07:44 PM
Weight: 178.4 (sucking the water out of me)
Temp: Within Average
I went ahead and upped the dose to 80mcg, skipping the 60mcg increment since I felt so good yesterday. Per usual, the shakes set in but you don't really notice them unless you focus on it. At one point, I was handing a bill to a cashier and she noticed it and asked if I had the flu, lol.
My temperature has still been normal, even low at times today. Oddly enough though, I was dumping out sweat while working. My hair looked like I took a shower. That isn't normal for me. So I'm not sure why my temperature isn't showing the added thermogenesis.
As for the workload, I was outside most of the day doing a little bit of everything. I was on the roof cleaning gutters, then I was on a ladder cutting tree limbs, then I was hauling 70lb bags of pecans to a shed and finished it off by spraying weeds around a 300 yard perimeter. Once I got home I ran for 20 minutes at 7mph.
I had no problem sleeping last night. Fell asleep and stayed asleep.
Using clen is like using an ECA stack they doesn't wear off in a couple of hours. It really is great. I feel energized and focused all day with no crash and no sleep issues. I did notice my ass on the verge of cramping a few times as well as my shoulders, oddly enough - presumably because they were getting worked hard today. I went ahead and upped my taurine to 5g from 3g. Drinking around 2 gallons daily.
So far, so good.
12-16-2008, 09:16 PM
good thread, ive just started my second cycle of clen and my layout is pretty much the same as yours
12-16-2008, 09:22 PM
12-16-2008, 11:07 PM
What's your experience with splitting it up?
@Giant: Feel free to chime in with anything going on in your cycle as well, bud. How far into your cycle are you, what's the current dose and is your temperature elevated?
12-16-2008, 11:32 PM
12-16-2008, 11:43 PM
Thanks for the info.
Once again though, we're talking doses that are above your bodyweight in milligrams, for much longer periods of time and on subjects which have more concentrated beta-2 receptors.
Is the half life really 36 hours? I was thinking that was just the active life.
Here's a question though: what difference is going to be made if you take on dose, or take multiple smaller doses which will not "burn-out" before the next dose is administered anyway? You'll still have the cumulative effect taking place. Am I missing something?
12-16-2008, 11:48 PM
12-17-2008, 12:48 PM
I had to take my clen on an empty stomach due to a dentist appointment. Other than some water and taurine, my gullet was void. Never do that. I felt like I was a walking earthquake. I was shaking like a maniac until I ate something and now its just the same tremors as usual.
12-17-2008, 01:02 PM
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