[sportf190]

alright guys im currently arond 205 at 12-13% bodyfat and would like to get to 9-10% bodyfat before i start my test-e d-bol cycle... i would just like some help on my carb cycling diet.. im wondering how much fat should i intake on no carb days and how much on low and high days.. Also on no carb days what do i do for protein shakes as mine have 5 grams of carbs should i just not take them.. thanks..

Fat sources
Mayo, olive oil, Whole eggs?, Steak-ums?, burger beef?, and cheese?

and how much saturated fat should i include on no carb days.. im just nervous that if i dont eat enough fat my body will use protein for energy and not fat.. thanks

[Chub]

Originally Posted by sportf190

alright guys im currently arond 205 at 12-13% bodyfat and would like to get to 9-10% bodyfat before i start my test-e d-bol cycle... i would just like some help on my carb cycling diet.. im wondering how much fat should i intake on no carb days and how much on low and high days.. Also on no carb days what do i do for protein shakes as mine have 5 grams of carbs should i just not take them.. thanks..

Fat sources
Mayo, olive oil, Whole eggs?, Steak-ums?, burger beef?, and cheese?

and how much saturated fat should i include on no carb days.. im just nervous that if i dont eat enough fat my body will use protein for energy and not fat.. thanks

If your trying to cut i wouldn't be eating chese and mayo etc. Go for the healthy fats like fish oils. Even changing the olive oil up for say Hemp oil. its high in omega 3,6 and 9. Also the burgers.. try keep them home made and use lean beef, just so you know whats going in them. buying ready made burgers are way high in saturated fats!

[sportf190]

ok i will buy the ground beef then... and as far as olive oil what can i mix it with to taste good.. the reason why i figured mayo was good is because for 12grams of fat it only has 1.5 or 2 grams of satuarated fat and it mixes good with tuna.. but what would some fat/protein recipes be ..

[Hank Vangut]

i personally don't shy away from saturated fats.
your body needs it to maintain a healthy hormone profile - especially during a cut.
only if you were significantly overweight or had high cholesterol would i recommend staying away from sat fat.
however, when consumming low carb you will need to eat a good amount of fat.
i eat a lot of nuts, advacado, olives when trying to get extra fats in my diet.

[pitbull800]

http://www.troponinnutrition.com/Shelby.pdf for info on carb cycling.
Go to the EliteFTS - Powerlifting and Strength Training Products and Knowledge for Lifters, Athletes, Coaches, and Trainers site and read all of the Shelby Starnes questions about carb cylcing. You can submit him questions at the site also.

[borobulker]

Originally Posted by pitbull800

www.troponinnutrition.com/shelby.pdf for info on carb cycling.
Go to the www.elitefts.com site and read all of the Shelby Starnes questions about carb cylcing. You can submit him questions at the site also.

You got it.

Buy Justins book, it is a plethora of information regarding carb cycling.

[striking]

I like to add mayo to my tuna fish it is a great fat/protein meal!

Good advice to use oils to help bring up fat intake that extra bit of this diet. Keep in mind to not drop calories too low. Normally as the weeks go on I can slowly drop my intake down and still ahve steady weight loss.

Great diet tracker on here just to see how many carbs you take in during the day. Generally I am under 30g and it keeps me in ketosis.

[ozarkaBRAND]

I'm love me some mayo as well.. and it is actually pretty low in sat fat.. I say go for it!

[Botch]

alright guys im currently arond 205 at 12-13% bodyfat and would like to get to 9-10% bodyfat before i start my test-e d-bol cycle... i would just like some help on my carb cycling diet.. im wondering how much fat should i intake on no carb days and how much on low and high days..

Your fat intake on no-carb days should be ~70% of your calories and protein the remaining ~30%. I give rough estimates because you are probably going to be eating a small amount of carbs each day as well. On high carb days fat should only make up 10% of your macronutrient content. I personally like to go 60% carbs and 30% protein for the remaining but this is debatable. I will say though that the sweet spot during the carb up is definately 10% fat.

Also on no carb days what do i do for protein shakes as mine have 5 grams of carbs should i just not take them.. thanks..

I would invest in a good zero carb protien. If you shop around VPX zero carb can be had for as little as 33 bucks for a 4.4 pound tub and I'm fond of the graham cracker flavor (and no, I don't work for the company!). In the meantime you will be fine if you are taking in a couple shakes a day as you will still only be around 10g of carbs. And you can still use the rest of that protein powder during the carb up.

Fat sources
Mayo, olive oil, Whole eggs?, Steak-ums?, burger beef?, and cheese?

Sounds good. I use all of those. Animal fat is fair game on this diet. I would include 1g of EPA/DHA per day as well. The content of EPA/DHA varies with different brands of fish oil but for many brands this will equate to roughly 10 caps per day.

and how much saturated fat should i include on no carb days.. im just nervous that if i dont eat enough fat my body will use protein for energy and not fat.. thanks

You will be fine if saturated fat makes up ~33% of your daily fat intake. I sure don't shy away from it. Saturated fat may be shyed away from on a carbohydrate based diet, but it is a different ballgame when you consume saturated fats without the presence of insulin like you are doing on a carb cycling diet.

As long as you keep your macros like I posted above you should have very little conern about losing muscle. Fat is very protein sparing.

[striking]

Great info Botch!
Thus far this diet is doing wonders for me as it has in the past. Once you get past the first hump this diet is nice and easy!

[sportf190]

so if i ate like 50% fat and 50% protein i would have a chance of using fat for protein right? how does this diet look for no carb day

4 strips of bacon
3 whole eggs, 3 egg whites..
piece of cheese?? or protein shake??

meal 2
steak ums with piece of cheese?

meal 3 ckn olive oil and broccoli/ romaine salad

meal 4 tuna/mayo some nuts

meal 5
burger? bacon? cheese?

meal 6 peanut butter cottage cheese...

Can all these meals be eating okay and still lose fat.. carb total would be around 10grams on no carb day..

[sportf190]

this is pretty much what i did on the anabolic diet.. but i just didn't know if it would work because im no carb for 5 days as opposed to 2 or 3 no carbs spread out throughtout the week you know what im saying? thanks

[jman3967]

what does your carb cycling diet look like on an average week out of curiousity? just days you train vs off days in relation to carb vs no carb days. im looking to tweak my diet and watned to get a feel for what other people are doing.

right now im taking in about 60% fats 30% protien on 'no' carb days. you probably already know about glutamine but its helped me a lot taking it before training and cardio to not burn muscle

[striking]

Search around for a few other threads anablic/ckd master thread has pretty much everything in it.

Cycling is pretty much < 30g crabs sunday-friday night
Have a split of 70% fat 30 Protein
on carb up day around 70 carbs and only like 10 or so grams of fat

The split I generally used is if you do your cabr up friday night into Sat.
sunday run to help get back into ketosis
mon/tue are your primary work out days for heavy lifts
wed/thur run days and a little extra work outs
5 full body work out (depletion workout) Begin carb up right after that is done.

[sportf190]

ohh ok so your saying pretty much run a keto diet... I was thinking along the lines of carb cycling like this

monday no carbs
tuesday low cars
wednesday high
thursday no
friday low
sat. no
sun high... or something similar but catch my drift, i have no problem doing the keto diet but it seems my strength suffered when going on it which is why i didn't like it but if its the best way to preserve muscle and diet then i can easily do no carbs 5 days a week.. i just worry about my strength...

[pata320]

Here is also another carb cycling type diet, you can ignore the AAS part though, if you want :-).

JGUNS COMPLETE "Super Cutter" Program - Ironlife Magazine