Stuborn Fat - More stuborn than your girl with aunt flow

[justreading]

I am in need of serious help!

right now I have a layer of fat over my abs that refuses to go away. I have been dieting like NUTS but can't do cardio right now due to a torn hamstring. I'll outline a bit of my routine and supps to see if anyone has tips.

1. I am on a hefty dose of anabolic

2. I am taking 50-75mcg of t3 ED with 50mg of ephedrine and two servings of vpx meltdown (yohimbe based fat burner) and use 10ml of napalm with clen added 4-5 days a week. I also add in high doses of colleus forslean and green tea extract

3. I eat 1700 cals a day from 100g fats and 200g protein 4 days a week, the 5th day is the same for the first half then 300g of carbs in the second half then Saturday is 500-600 grams of carbs and 200 protein. Sunday is 300 carbs 200 protein and moderate fat.

I train everything 4 times a week with 3-4 sets. 2 times are high rep, one is moderate and 1 is heavy (I follow the Ultimate diet 2.0 by lyle mcdonald).

Right now I am about 205-207 at 5'10" and I would guess somewhere around 10%.

Does anyone have ANY tips that I can use to FINALLY get down to sub 7%??
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Can someone PLE

[Royd The Noyd]

How long have you been using this diet?

Perhaps lowering volume and working out everyday will help increase your metabolic rate on a daily basis.

Since your on anabolics maybe consider var, as it is commonly reported to destroy belly fat.

Maybe a cortisol reducer.

[justreading]

I've been dieting like this for maybe 8-10 weeks... I klnow my calories are VERY low 4 days a week but I thought the t3 would override that. Does anyone know if that logic is sound?

Thanks for the ideas... I am thinking cort blocker as well but one of my concoctions is supposed to lower cortisol...

I may try lean x-treme. Not being able to do cardio sucks and unfortunetly I can't use clen orally cause of anxiety. I have used dnp in the past but am trying to avoid that route.

Hope I don't sound defensive but my resources and knowledge are tapped out and I'm straight up desperate ha.

[Royd The Noyd]

I've been dieting like this for maybe 8-10 weeks... I klnow my calories are VERY low 4 days a week but I thought the t3 would override that. Does anyone know if that logic is sound?

Thanks for the ideas... I am thinking cort blocker as well but one of my concoctions is supposed to lower cortisol...

I may try lean x-treme. Not being able to do cardio sucks and unfortunetly I can't use clen orally cause of anxiety. I have used dnp in the past but am trying to avoid that route.

Hope I don't sound defensive but my resources and knowledge are tapped out and I'm straight up desperate ha.

No problem JR, I'm probably at the exact same point as you are in a diet. Albuterol is another option if your experiencing anxiety from clen (I know it treats me better then clen in that area).

One thing you may want to try is just altering the diet. Kill the carbs out completely for a week. The AAS should help you retain the LBM.

Are you using any stims? That could be elevating cortisol. Just another thought.

[justreading]

No problem JR, I'm probably at the exact same point as you are in a diet. Albuterol is another option if your experiencing anxiety from clen (I know it treats me better then clen in that area).

One thing you may want to try is just altering the diet. Kill the carbs out completely for a week. The AAS should help you retain the LBM.

Are you using any stims? That could be elevating cortisol. Just another thought.

I am on crazy stims haha... Meltdown with ephedrine is too much for me to handle and the funny thing is either one alone at higher doses and I can take a nap but together is WOW.

I am thinking of addind lean x-treme. I'll be "cruising" soon and will definetly use high doses of LX then.

I am just bumping up the t3 to 75mcg and I really did not want to go this high.

[Omen]

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/crumcake.html

I bet you know how to formulate a diet, so no need to follow the sample diet, make one for yourself.

Also, some people me included have used M&E, which is basically meat and eggs with very little vegetables (use fiber supplements if needed).

This diet should be very high fat, if you stick to lean meats or only whites, it WILL NOT work, I guarntee you that, when you enter the food at fitday.com or other similar nutrional programs, your macros should be 80% fat and 20% protein, no you will not lose muscle, no you will not get a heart attack, I can back up all these claims, but if ask me to and you don't read each and every one of them, make sure you have paypal.......

This really is the best way to lose those last stubborn pounds......

Is this temporary or for long term? it will work either way, but it might not be compatible with your lifestyle long term....

Good luck if you need any more info/links etc.... post everything here...

[Royd The Noyd]

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/crumcake.html

I bet you know how to formulate a diet, so no need to follow the sample diet, make one for yourself.

Also, some people me included have used M&E, which is basically meat and eggs with very little vegetables (use fiber supplements if needed).

This diet should be very high fat, if you stick to lean meats or only whites, it WILL NOT work, I guarntee you that, when you enter the food at fitday.com or other similar nutrional programs, your macros should be 80% fat and 20% protein, no you will not lose muscle, no you will not get a heart attack, I can back up all these claims, but if ask me to and you don't read each and every one of them, make sure you have paypal.......

This really is the best way to lose those last stubborn pounds......

Is this temporary or for long term? it will work either way, but it might not be compatible with your lifestyle long term....

Good luck if you need any more info/links etc.... post everything here...

8 weeks, no carbs not even from veggies? I'd have to think glycogen replenishment at some pont would be needed?

[justreading]

8 weeks, no carbs not even from veggies? I'd have to think glycogen replenishment at some pont would be needed?

Sorry maybe my first post wasn't clear enough.

I eat approx 300 carbs friday night then 500-600 on saturday then 200-300 on sunday all based around a very intense very heavy workout on sunday meant to maintain and/or gain strength and muscle... It has worked and I have been getting dtrong as an ox but I may lower the carbs on sunday but its hard because this training regiment is very challenging so the body does need some carbs to recover from the week.

[Distilled Water]

Thats kinda a high dose of T3 to be without any AAS.

I think you answered your own question in your first post. You can't cardio and you should know how HUGE that is.

Since your not doing cardio i'd cut those carb loads down. For my abs to come in I have to carb cycle.

EDIT: Missed the first bullet

[Omen]

8 weeks, no carbs not even from veggies? I'd have to think glycogen replenishment at some pont would be needed?

Not really, the body can make all the glucose it needs from protein via gluceogensis, and all that fat provides tons of energy, while explosive reactions are decreased until the body adapts to using fat instead of carbs, the OP has showed no intention of this being for performance, solely for looks, therefor glycogen replenishment does not matter at this point.

However since he is already lean, I would say he would need to alternate between longer than normal fasts between meal, ie sometimes 6 hours instead of 3 hrs, and add a planned cheat meal to keep everything going, after a good amount of time on carb depletion.

[Royd The Noyd]

Not really, the body can make all the glucose it needs from protein via gluceogensis, and all that fat provides tons of energy, while explosive reactions are decreased until the body adapts to using fat instead of carbs, the OP has showed no intention of this being for performance, solely for looks, therefor glycogen replenishment does not matter at this point.

However since he is already lean, I would say he would need to alternate between longer than normal fasts between meal, ie sometimes 6 hours instead of 3 hrs, and add a planned cheat meal to keep everything going, after a good amount of time on carb depletion.

Yes I am aware of gluceogenesis however I was thinking of the appearance of looking flat as common goal of glycogen replenishment by those trying to achieve a better look.

Based on the link you posted how does one consume all those calories fasting 6 hours between meals? Or is there goal set for total caloric consumption only adhering to the 80/20 (P/F) guideline?

Interesting diet though.

[justreading]

tomorrow i will post up more detail on my routine so it can be picked apart. You guys have been great and its humbling and refreshing to get help when you know you are stuck

[bullneck]

Mabey try some napalm?

[justreading]

Mabey try some napalm?

Already using 10ml 4-5 days a week with clen added...

[KingMeso]

That torn hammy is killing you.

Think about this. You are taking quite a bit of stuff. You seem knowledgeable about diet, so I'm sure that's on. What is missing? Cardio. Is there any way you can do some upper body cardio (boxing, shadow boxing, rowing, etc.)?

Another thing to think about, is that is your body in a starvation type mode? As far as calories in to calories out.

[SFRANGER]

Possibly you are rushing this a little too? Without cardio, and with already being around 10%, your body is probably going to resist rapidly decreasing its remaining fat stores. I imagine that if you gave yourself another 8 weeks of this, that you could be very close to your goal.

I know, I know...I wouldn't want to wait either. Good luck with it man!

[justreading]

That torn hammy is killing you.

Think about this. You are taking quite a bit of stuff. You seem knowledgeable about diet, so I'm sure that's on. What is missing? Cardio. Is there any way you can do some upper body cardio (boxing, shadow boxing, rowing, etc.)?

Another thing to think about, is that is your body in a starvation type mode? As far as calories in to calories out.

The whole mechanism of starvation mode is something I need to look into. I always simplfied it as shutting down t3 and thought supplementing exogenious t3 would fiox it.

One theory I have that I think is slowly working is...

When taking t3 in a ketogenic state we want to free up stored fatty acids because the body is already trained to burn fat as fuel. My theory on this has been to use napalm w. clen, forslean, green tea and t3 at the same time. I limit fat for 2-3 hours before that (cut it off at the previous meal) then at the meal following this protocol I eat mainly protein hoping that my body will metablize enough fatty acids to keep me in a ketogenic state and limit glucogenesis...

I am digging DEEP here haha...



I never though I'd say this but I can't wait to do cardio haha

[pizzathehut]

So, if u want to lose stubborn fat. cause im at the same state got stubborn fat. driving me crazy.. but a no carb diet with high protrein would be off a lil fat? and just keep it up?.. im doing a 2500 to 3k calorie a day diet. so should i cut it backto try to cut?

[justreading]

So, if u want to lose stubborn fat. cause im at the same state got stubborn fat. driving me crazy.. but a no carb diet with high protrein would be off a lil fat? and just keep it up?.. im doing a 2500 to 3k calorie a day diet. so should i cut it backto try to cut?

Yeah man... Really what I am doing could work for anyone with some modifications i.e. calories manipulation for someone who is natural and no t3.

Look into the ultimate diet 2.0. It seems to be good for holding onto and/or gaining strength while cutting which to me is the golden measure of a diets success.

Also if you can do cardio lyle has a good on stuborn fatloss but its $40 for 70 pages and I can't swing that right now. Long and short of one of his theories is 10 minutes of sprinting cardio ALL OUt on one machine then rest and switch to moderate to slow long duration 30-40 minutes on another machine. I can't wait to try.

I know I am the one asking for help here but maybe my expeerience can be of some assistance.

Hopefully I can post up pics so you all can see what I am talking about.

[pizzathehut]

yea man i appreciate it. i know u asked the question to start with, but in your words u said it 10 time better than what i would have said in a new topic.. and u got the better repsonse..=P so i kinda stole the oppurtunity, cause i got selfish.. sorry but thank u so much..!! once i know more than u then i'll put my info to help u out