[KrazyLegs]

I was totally rocking cardio for about 30 minutes...then I felt lightheaded, insatiably hungry and lethargic. BONK CITY! Crash and burn! As TdF commentator Phil Liggett would say: His elastic has totally snapped!

I think this is the "mental confusion" side effect that UPS warns about. I'm guessing that I seriously underdosed my post-AP carb session. When it happened, I wanted to crush about 10 Big Macs, but instead wolfed down some quick-acting carbs (PowerBars).

I'm pretty sure it had to do with the fact that this was the first time I used AP before a workout. I think I seriously underestimated it's potency. Here's what I stacked:

75 minutes before WO: 3 Drive/3 RPM
45 minutes before: 1 AP
20 minutes before: about 30g of rolled oats
10 minutes before: 1 dose of Rag


The problem is that I wanted to stay relatively light on my pre-WO meal so that the Rag would still be effective.

I'm jacking up my pre-WO rolled oats to 60g of carbs and adding in a banana and a little fruit juice. Hope this does the trick.

Anyone else had this happen to them on AP?

[USPLabs]

Originally Posted by KrazyLegs

I was totally rocking cardio for about 30 minutes...then I felt lightheaded, insatiably hungry and lethargic. BONK CITY! Crash and burn! As TdF commentator Phil Liggett would say: His elastic has totally snapped!

I think this is the "mental confusion" side effect that UPS warns about. I'm guessing that I seriously underdosed my post-AP carb session. When it happened, I wanted to crush about 10 Big Macs, but instead wolfed down some quick-acting carbs (PowerBars).

I'm pretty sure it had to do with the fact that this was the first time I used AP before a workout. I think I seriously underestimated it's potency. Here's what I stacked:

75 minutes before WO: 3 Drive/3 RPM
45 minutes before: 1 AP
20 minutes before: about 30g of rolled oats
10 minutes before: 1 dose of Rag


The problem is that I wanted to stay relatively light on my pre-WO meal so that the Rag would still be effective.

I'm jacking up my pre-WO rolled oats to 60g of carbs and adding in a banana and a little fruit juice. Hope this does the trick.

Anyone else had this happen to them on AP?

why RPM and RAG and why RPM 75 minutes before a workout?

I would do this:

1 AP
15 minutes later 50grams oats/protein/fishoil
1.15 hours later Rag
1.3 hours later workout

[KrazyLegs]

Well, I thought AP stacked well with RPM and Drive. That's what I had read, at least. And I use caff-free Rag and I thought that was also supposed to work well with RPM.

FTR, I upped my pre-WO carbs today to about 75-80g (40-45g of oats, a banana and some fruit juice) and it was a slightly better workout. But I still got a lightheaded and hungry and needed to refuel after cadio again.

Do you recommend not stacking RPM with AP? Or upping my carbs even more?

[Steveoph]

Since the oats are a complex carb, 20 minutes pre-WO wouldn't give them enough time to digest. Once you start exercising, bloodflow is redirected to your muscles and your digestion slows down. Also 20g from carbs + AP is going to make you hypoglycemic which is what you experienced there.

AP should be fine to stack with RPM and Drive, just make sure you give your carbs time to digest! Also is your cardio first-thing in the morning. And is your main-goal fatloss? If so, you might want to upon waking Drive+RPM, then your cardio about 15-30mins (30 being better) then have some BCAA's and Glutamine during you cardio. About 10mins from the end of your cardio session, pop and AP. Then have a nice big bowl of porridge + chopped up berries in there + some whey

[Mulletsoldier]

If you are becoming that light headed, you may need to implement both your AP and workout nutrition during your session.

My suggestion:

5 minutes prior to workout:
1 AP

Intra-workout:

60g Powdered Gatorade (dextrose, primarily)
BCAA complex

That should keep you hydrated, and satiated.