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  1. There is a learning curve with AP, and in recognition I wrote the AP Manual (with some healthy prodding from J). Once one finds 'the sweet spot', it can be a wonderful supplement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCCFan023 View Post
    If people don't know B's reputation with supplements (as far as being skeptical and really giving them the 10th degree of "inspection" [which is quite refreshing I might add]) this is a hell of a review.

    I also agree that when first beginning use of AP it has a dramatic effect (I know from my personal use during a non lifting rehab period with it.)

    Another addicted soul (I feel guilty when I eat carbs without it now ~ its a bloody disorder I tell you!)
    From my perspective I see that glucose/insulin management to be the fundamental imbalance/dysfunction detrimental to body composition that has existed all of my life. For me to be able to utilize glycogen/insulin efficiently to build muscle when in surplus and not retain it as fat is huge.

    I can only see this benefiting every aspect of my body composition goals whatever they may be.

    I imagine that this resolved issue of glucose/insulin management would only complement any other supplement, in particular, fat loss agents...a la recreate
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    From my perspective I see that glucose/insulin management to be the fundamental imbalance/dysfunction detrimental to body composition that has existed all of my life. For me to be able to utilize glycogen/insulin efficiently to build muscle when in surplus and not retain it as fat is huge.

    I can only see this benefiting every aspect of my body composition goals whatever they may be.

    I imagine that this resolved issue of glucose/insulin management would only complement any other supplement, in particular, fat loss agents...a la recreate
    Certainly man. In my opinion the reason Anabolic Pump is so potent (as well as P-Slin ~ by the way have you given this a shot yet or you sticking to AP?) is that fact that it positively harnesses your bodies response to nutrients or in other words food (yes very over simplified but you catch my drift). Granted other supplements work well to boost natty test, increase O2 levels or ATP levels and so on, but the foundation for why AP works is that its used in conjunction (for the most part) purely with natural foods.

    I can't say for sure but back in the day (all my life until end of Sophomore year HS) I seriously ate to the point of diabetes being imminent at age 25. Follow that up by insanely low calorie/no carb in my eyes "dieting" and I definitely think I threw my bodies metabolism through a warp that had to have negatively impacted my bodies ability to utilize carbs 100%. When I started AP (which was a year and a half after I learned how to eat healthy and such) I can say for sure all negativity that had lingered and or may have just been physiological were alleviated by the results seen both while using AP and when not in use. Like you said glucose management/effective utilization is definitely a high priority when body comp is a concern.

    Personal history lesson over . Thought it was sort or pertinent though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OCCFan023 View Post
    Certainly man. In my opinion the reason Anabolic Pump is so potent (as well as P-Slin ~ by the way have you given this a shot yet or you sticking to AP?)
    As we speak I am experimenting with it. I initial was using AP pre and post. I have a box of p-slin that I am using for pre workout and am following up with AP post. I have only three w/o's in with this protocol but am pleased thus far.

    I am experimenting with YG, AP and PS

  5. what i've wondered and think is likely true that over time the insulin sensitivity change becomes part of your natural physiological response, and the need to use a nutrient repartitioner lessens as far as just maintenance goes.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by USPLabs View Post

    O and Mullet is gay.

    Silly. I laughed in my cubicle.

  7. but i thot recreate suppressses ur appetite, so isn't hard to bulk on it?

  8. 500 calories over maintenance is very, very easy to choke down - even with an appetite suppressant.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    500 calories over maintenance is very, very easy to choke down - even with an appetite suppressant.
    1 tablespoon of coconut oil 3x a day does that
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    Stickied!!!

  11. Mullet - Im surprised you didn't add in PowerFull to the stack

  12. I could have. Maybe I will!

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    I could have. Maybe I will!
    Hey Mullet and crew,

    My Dad is a 62 year old biker who is a little on the chubby side with slightly elevated BP. Do you think Recreate would give him any additional BP issues? In your opinion? Thanks!
    My The 1 LOG: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/254164-my-one-log.html

  14. Quite the opposite, because of three primary factors; one, the lack of classical stimulants which increase cardiac output and effectively raise blood pressure; two, because of ReCreate's potent anti-oxidative capacity; and, three, ReCreate's selective cortisone:cortisol enzymatic conversion inhibition. Especially in the latter most respect, as cortisol raises blood pressure significantly, and also has an adverse effect on cholesterol levels.

  15. i train mon,tues,thurs, fri

    can i use a 40/30/30 for them

    while a 45/25/30 for off days?


    does that sound reasonable...?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL;
    what i've wondered and think is likely true that over time the insulin sensitivity change becomes part of your natural physiological response, and the need to use a nutrient repartitioner lessens as far as just maintenance goes.
    There is some truth to this. As a matter of fact, some insulin-mimetics have been shown to demonstrate a type of "memory effect", meaning that, after discontinuation of the use of those insulin-mimetics, the body continues to partition nutrients as efficiently as when the mimetics were in use. It is not clear, though, how long this memory effect lasts. Certainly very short-term and dependent on individual metabolic factors. The beauty of supplements such as Anabolic Pump or P-Slin, however, as we all know, is that they work independently of insulin, and so may be taken long-term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Especially in the latter most respect, as cortisol raises blood pressure significantly, and also has an adverse effect on cholesterol levels.
    Exsqueezeme?! This is interesting information sir. Do you have reference?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by kanny View Post
    i train mon,tues,thurs, fri

    can i use a 40/30/30 for them

    while a 45/25/30 for off days?


    does that sound reasonable...?
    sure, the macro % breakdown matters less than the timing of the carb intake + ap

  19. Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    Exsqueezeme?! This is interesting information sir. Do you have reference?
    For the Cortisol-Cholesterol connection?
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    Yeah, I was not meaning to sound accusational or combative, I was just very curious as I don't recall getting the cortisol:BP/lipid connection before now.

  21. http://atvb.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/4/1/59

    Another:

    Cortisol Effects on Body Mass, Blood Pressure, and Cholesterol in the General Population

    Robert Fraser; Mary C. Ingram; Niall H. Anderson; Caroline Morrison; Eleanor Davies; John M. C. Connell
    From the MRC Blood Pressure Group, Western Infirmary (R.F., M.C.I., N.H.A., E.D., J.M.C.C.)and MONICA Project (C.M.), Royal Infirmary, Glasgow, Scotland, UK.

    Correspondence to Dr Robert Fraser, MRC Blood Pressure Group, Western Infirmary, Glasgow G11 6NT, Scotland, UK.

    Abstract—The effects of excess cortisol secretion on blood pressure and fat deposition are well documented, but the importance of this glucocorticoid in controlling these processes in normal individuals is less clear. We studied the relationship between cortisol excretion rate (tetrahydrocortisol [THF]+allo-THF+tetrahydrocortisone [THE]) and a range of important cardiovascular risk factors in 439 normal subjects (238 male) sampled from the North of Glasgow (Scotland) population. There were marked gender differences: female subjects were lighter and had lower blood pressures and cortisol levels, whereas HDL cholesterol was higher. The pattern of cortisol metabolism was also different; the index of 11ß-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase activity (THF+allo-THF/THE) was lower and that of 5-reductase (allo-THF/THF) was higher. There was a strong correlation of blood pressure (positive), cholesterol (positive), and HDL cholesterol (negative in women, positive in men) with age. Cortisol excretion rate did not correlate with blood pressure but correlated strongly with parameters of body habitus (body mass index and waist and hip measurements [positive]) and HDL cholesterol (negative). With multiple regression analysis, there remained a significant association of cortisol excretion rate with HDL cholesterol in men and women and with body mass index in men. These results suggest that glucocorticoids regulate key components of cardiovascular risk.
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    Curious. How does this look for around my workout using Powerfull, Recreate, P-Slin and AP?

    AM - Wake:

    0:00 - 2 Powerfull
    0:15 - 1 P-Slin, 1 SuperCissus, 2 Recreate
    0:30 - Pre W/O shake (oats/wms/BCAA/mono/BA/Luecine)

    0:45-1:00 - W/O
    Last Set - 1 AP
    0:15 - Post W/O shake (repeat above)

  23. Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    Curious. How does this look for around my workout using Powerfull, Recreate, P-Slin and AP?

    AM - Wake:

    0:00 - 2 Powerfull
    0:15 - 1 P-Slin, 1 SuperCissus, 2 Recreate
    0:30 - Pre W/O shake (oats/wms/BCAA/mono/BA/Luecine)

    0:45-1:00 - W/O
    Last Set - 1 AP
    0:15 - Post W/O shake (repeat above)
    Shoot me a PM B, and we will discuss!

  24. B you work out in 15 minutes? Are you superhuman?
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    The workout begins at 0:45 to 1:00 after mark 0:00 (powerfull dose).

  26. Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    The workout begins at 0:45 to 1:00 after mark 0:00 (powerfull dose).
    Gotcha boss. I was getting worried for a second, thought maybe big ole B was a in and out 15 minute squat rack bb curler lol.

  27. So I’ve done my research and instead of cluttering Mullet’s PM box decided to post my question here. I’m a carb II reactive female, 5’7’’, 123lb, ~14%BF on a mission “impossible” : lean bulk .... I bet nobody guessed that one! . My choice of weapons (other than the obvious- hard core training, proper diet etc) are PowerFULL, AP & Recreate .

    This is how I planned the supplementation:

    1. 30min b4 morning cardio: 1PowerFULL +2Recreate
    2. Immediately b4 cardio: 1AP (cardio 20-30min, HIT)
    3. Breakfast: includes complex & simple carbs

    4. 20-30min b4 third meal/pre-training meal: 1AP
    Meal includes complex carbs

    5. 10min b4 workout (approx 1hr after third meal):
    1Recreate+1PowerFULL+5g BCAA+5g
    glutamine+ 1/2serv Nimbus Swell

    6. Workout drink:
    5g BCAA+5g glutamine+ 1/2serv Nimbus Swell

    7. Immediately PWO & 30min b4 PWO meal: 1AP
    PWO meal: includes complex & simple carbs

    Basically I wanted to make sure PowerFULL and Recreate are separated at least an hour from meals. With AP I am planning to start off with 30-40g of carbs per meal and ramp it up according to response. Training would be 5days on/2 off. On non training days Powerful would be omitted, I would still dose Recreate 2 in the morning/1 in the afternoon and AP with first 3 meals containing carbs. Generally I follow a high protein/high fat/low carb diet due to poor handling of carbs (poor means: excess carbs=saddlebags & saggy butt : ). Think that is the main reason why I’m finding it hard to gain more muscle. With this stack I’m hoping to overcome this problem.

    Did I do my homework right ? Any comments, suggestions would be much appreciated

  28. Quote Originally Posted by dragonfly View Post
    So I’ve done my research and instead of cluttering Mullet’s PM box decided to post my question here. I’m a carb II reactive female, 5’7’’, 123lb, ~14%BF on a mission “impossible” : lean bulk .... I bet nobody guessed that one! . My choice of weapons (other than the obvious- hard core training, proper diet etc) are PowerFULL, AP & Recreate .

    This is how I planned the supplementation:

    1. 30min b4 morning cardio: 1PowerFULL +2Recreate
    2. Immediately b4 cardio: 1AP (cardio 20-30min, HIT)

    Instead of taking Anabolic Pump immediately before cardio, I would take Anabolic Pump during the cardio, approximately 15 minutes before it is over.

    3. Breakfast: includes complex & simple carbs

    Which would be? Go with complex carbohydrates

    4. 20-30min b4 third meal/pre-training meal: 1AP
    Meal includes complex carbs

    5. 10min b4 workout (approx 1hr after third meal):
    1Recreate+1PowerFULL+5g BCAA+5g
    glutamine+ 1/2serv Nimbus Swell

    Looks good.

    6. Workout drink:
    5g BCAA+5g glutamine+ 1/2serv Nimbus Swell

    7. Immediately PWO & 30min b4 PWO meal: 1AP
    PWO meal: includes complex & simple carbs

    Cool; you don`t need the simple carbs though. You can stick with complex. However, if you want to use the simple, go ahead.

    Basically I wanted to make sure PowerFULL and Recreate are separated at least an hour from meals. With AP I am planning to start off with 30-40g of carbs per meal and ramp it up according to response. Training would be 5days on/2 off. On non training days Powerful would be omitted, I would still dose Recreate 2 in the morning/1 in the afternoon and AP with first 3 meals containing carbs. Generally I follow a high protein/high fat/low carb diet due to poor handling of carbs (poor means: excess carbs=saddlebags & saggy butt : ). Think that is the main reason why I’m finding it hard to gain more muscle. With this stack I’m hoping to overcome this problem.

    Did I do my homework right ? Any comments, suggestions would be much appreciated
    My comments above in bold. Let us know how it goes.

  29. Thanks Dexterium, I wouldn’t argue with someone who’s got a perfect six pack You’re right, to take simple carbs after the morning cardio defeats the purpose of fat loss. I might just have a small amount after the weight training session in form of low-sugar fruit (grapefruit, berries or apples). That shouldn’t do too much damage, besides, grapefruit is a cheaper source of niaringin than Ap. Nut. Drive

    I'll be posting updates as soon as I start the stack

  30. just avoid bananas, the grapefruit, berries or apples should be ok. the berries probably best so you get some extra antioxidant power out of them (blueberries in particular). Fructose is different tho both in terms of its glut4 interaction and its storage (it hits liver glycogen first and primarily rather than bodily) so you may want to also include some other complex carb source.
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