[Mulletsoldier]

Si!

[sw bill]

Can AP be takin while on PCT? I just finished a 4 week cycle of Methyl1D and now am taking Formadrol and Psarm for a PCT.
I have a bottle of AP but should i wait until after PCT to start on it?
I posted this in the PCT section a few days ago and got no responce,Hope i have better luck here. Thanks

BTW, I plan on bulking at least 2 more months before cutting if that makes a difference.

[Mulletsoldier]

I think AP is a great supplement in an environment attempting to reboot one's HPTA. Not only due to its GLUT4 translocation, but also its anti-lipogenic and anti-cholesterolemic functions.

[KrazyLegs]

Does it work well with a stack of RPM/Drive or should I wait to dose AP on its own?

[AM07]

11th day, not noticing anything. I've tried waiting different times, anywhere from 10-75 minutes. I've tried various amounts of complex carbs, anywhere from 35-70 grams, still nothing.

Anything else I can do to hopefully feel the effects of this supplement?

[Force of Green]

Originally Posted by ono

Aha it's probably just hypoglacemia or however you spell it. That shizzle is no fun. Suppose it will be ok if i carb up when am on it....which is what i'll be doing

You clarified your own confusion just now! Bravo.

[dexterium]

Originally Posted by AM07

11th day, not noticing anything. I've tried waiting different times, anywhere from 10-75 minutes. I've tried various amounts of complex carbs, anywhere from 35-70 grams, still nothing.

Anything else I can do to hopefully feel the effects of this supplement?

Have you tried any simple carbs?

[AM07]

Originally Posted by dexterium

Have you tried any simple carbs?

Nope. But if it requires using simple carbs, then I see no reason taking the supplement in the first place since I don't consume simple carbs, and none of us should be if our goals are what we say they are.

[bpmartyr]

Originally Posted by AM07

Nope. But if it requires using simple carbs, then I see no reason taking the supplement in the first place since I don't consume simple carbs, and none of us should be if our goals are what we say they are.

Even if the supplement negates any negatives associated with said simple carb? You will avoid insulin spikes, insulin resistance and weight gain that accompany them when precipitated by AP.

I am a no sugars advocate myself ... well, I was before trying them with AP. FWIW

[Force of Green]

I picked up a couple bottles each of P-Slin and AP... DAMN! Amazing stuff! I had a really nice run with it before and wasn't afraid to abide by and trust the instructions that say : (P-Slin) "Use 60-100 grams of carbs" & (AP) "Use atleast 40 grams of complex carbs"... whatever... outstanding results manifested themselves from the first dose of each! No exaggeration!

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by AM07

Nope. But if it requires using simple carbs, then I see no reason taking the supplement in the first place since I don't consume simple carbs, and none of us should be if our goals are what we say they are.

It does not require simple carbohydrates, but Dex was merely suggesting you may respond better with a mixture; this could be due to your insulin sensitivity predisposition.

[corsaking]

Before I spend almost £40 on this product will someone please explain how Phellodendron the first ingredient, works in this formula .I have searched Google and despite the claim that only USP had heard of this plant/herb ,lots of information is available through Google, quote from one-Phellodendron has been used to treat gastric ulcers, bacterial infections, fungal infections, and diabetes. It has also been used for immunosuppression and as a topical anti-inflammatory agent.

I have no wish to knock this product as anecdotal feedback seems to be good, but if we are trying to create an anabolic window throughout the day , why not eat every 2/3 hours slow release carbs along with good quality protein.This will create an insulin rise ,and shuttle gradually nutrients into the bloodstream , but not a spike as in after training when its wanted.

For me personally supplement companies have to do a lot more hard work and research to convince me to buy their product. So many supplements contain herbs which have been used in folklore medicine for years and for something not related to bodybuilding. As soon as it gets into the bodybuilding arena , for some reason its the icing on the cake to getting the "physique of your dreams!"

So back to where I came in , can someone come up with information that will convince me to buy this product .I am not taken in by advertising claims .

[AM07]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

It does not require simple carbohydrates, but Dex was merely suggesting you may respond better with a mixture; this could be due to your insulin sensitivity predisposition.

But the thing is, with my diet, there is nothing that includes simple carbohydrates. I don't even consume a PWO shake; I just come home and typically eat a full meal containing complex carbohydrates and lean meat.

So should I take an AP right after my workout, then try having a PWO shake consisting of 50 grams dextrose with 35 grams whey 20 minutes later?

I don't understand how insulin sensitivity (specifically mine, which I doubt could be figured out just by the feel of things after I eat something) could have anything to do with this if I've tried eating at various times after taking the AP. So is it better if one has a higher insulin sensitivity (better for overall health) with this product than a lower sensitivity? Do the non-responders of this product tend to have a high insulin sensitivity?

[corsaking]

If you want to increase your own insulin sensitivity see what L.REA has to say about doing just that in his book "Building the perfect beast -naturally "


Before spending money on a product which may or may not work .After youve read what he has to say on insulin, then decide what you want to do

[bpmartyr]

I believe the non-responders may have a higher resistance yes. AP often requires time to increase your sensitivity to insulin before it's full effects are realized. The increased glut4 creates an environment where less insulin is required thus less insulin is released. Over time the decreased levels increase sensitivity. For overall health this is a very good thing as even a cursory exposition to the effect of insulin will reveal it's intrinsically toxic nature.