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Before I higher my legal team of FDA lawyers that I have worked with in the past.

A member for 6 months at BB.com has a vendetta against USPlabs. He is lying about his claims.

I am going to persue this, but has there ever been a lawsuit over forum exchanges. He is clearly at fault. If the rumor spreads, This could make my life difficult without cause.


I have his real name and address. I think he needs to be served. This lawsuit will bring alot of attention to our world because of the bb.com association. This is probably attention we do not want. I love my industry but when do I draw the line.
 
USPLabs said:
Before I higher my legal team of FDA lawyers that I have worked with in the past.

A member for 6 months at BB.com has a vendetta against USPlabs. He is lying about his claims.

I am going to persue this, but has there ever been a lawsuit over forum exchanges. He is clearly at fault. If the rumor spreads, This could make my life difficult without cause.


I have his real name and address. I think he needs to be served. This lawsuit will bring alot of attention to our world because of the bb.com association. This is probably attention we do not want. I love my industry but when do I draw the line.
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People are weird these days , how could anyone have a vendetta against you? Anyways like Ziri said , "yeahright" pops to mind as i remember his logs for focus XT i beleive it was stating he was in that field.

Also on drawing the line. If hes making claims and causing un-needed problems which can make your life hell, i say serve the bastard what he deserves! JMO though.
 
Yeah, I was reading that over there about Des. I am sorry to see something like this take place. I hope everything works out for you Jacob and the rest of USPLabs. I love your products and you and the others have always helped me out with questions and support. Keep up the great customer service and innovative products that actually do what they claim, unlike many other companies out there with their "false claims" I am looking forward to future products from you guys.
Later,

Brian

P.S. I am not a lawyer, just making a statment.
 
Im in law school but it's only my first year (just into second semester).

I think it would be amazing to practice IP law (among other areas) for a supplement company. I may be focusing on the IP area too. Perhaps someday I will work for a supplement company.

My advice is pay a avg. priced lawyer (from a firm that carries weight) to fire a letter off to this guy thats bugging you. You really have no cause for a suit just because he is spreading bad rumors. You aren't really in a position to claim true slander either. Building a case based of forum posts that talk badly about you or your company wont be easy. While there is evidence, I'm not sure the legal implications are that strong for you. He would have to go a few steps further. I highly doubt you will get any return on your investment and I'm sure any decent attorney will tell you the same. Your best bet is to pay $100-200 for a lawyer to send him an official looking letter threatening action. This will likely calm him down a little. That is, unless he knows better. :D
 
Alpine said:
Im in law school but it's only my first year (just into second semester).

I think it would be amazing to practice IP law (among other areas) for a supplement company. I may be focusing on the IP area too. Perhaps someday I will work for a supplement company.

My advice is pay a avg. priced lawyer (from a firm that carries weight) to fire a letter off to this guy thats bugging you. You really have no cause for a suit just because he is spreading bad rumors. You aren't really in a position to claim slander. Building a case because of forum posts that talk badly about you or your company inst much. Your best bet is to pay $100-200 for a lawyer to send him an official looking letter threatening action. This will likely calm him down. That is, unless he knows better. :D
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I can make a commericial about Joe and claim he is a drug dealer and get away with when its a false claim?
 
USPLabs said:
I can make a commericial about Joe and claim he is a drug dealer and get away with when its a false claim?
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That is different than some jackass making forum posts that annoy you. Don't take my word for it. If you dont believe me go pay a lawyer to tell you the same thing. I added to my original post a bit too.

In the legal world threats are about as useful as actual action. In some cases, its all you have.

Good Luck

Update: Can you link me to the threads in question just out of curiosity?
 
Alpine said:
That is different than some jackass making forum posts that annoy you. Don't take my word for it. If you dont believe me go pay a lawyer to tell you the same thing. I added to my original post a bit too.

In the legal world threats are about as useful as actual action. In some cases, its all you have.

Good Luck

Update: Can you link me to the threads in question just out of curiosity?
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Good discussion...

He can implicate my business in illegal activity without penalty?
 
USPLabs said:
Good discussion...

He can implicate my business in illegal activity without penalty?
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Slander or libel "per se" is where a person accuses you of a crime or states something damaging about you. Per quod is where an "injury" or detriment has to be shown.

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This would be slander since its in print and not oral.

My point is, you have to PROVE some kind of damages as a result of his action. Proving he is talking badly is not the question. Im not saying you have NO way of bringing a case against him, I'm just saying based on what I know, I don't think its worth your time and money. No attorney is going to invest in it unless he sees a return there either.
 
meowmeow said:
I have not read the posts in question but if he is spreading "bad rumors" you do have the basis for a law suit.



This is poor advice. You should never...NEVER go to any lawyer other than a very good one. (i.e board certified, top law school, spends a lot of time in the courtroom with success, great reputation among other lawyesr, AV rated, etc.). Also you should not persue this matter unless you are willing to carry it through to litigation. It may be that you can achieve satisfactory results/settlement well before the case is set for trial, but those results often only come because you are willing to take the case to trial.
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All im telling him is to send an economic threat letter as a first wave approach. Im not telling him you seek ****ty counsel, cmon. Dont be silly. If he already has a team as he says then its not an issue. A high power firm would charge him an arm and a leg to simply advise and send a letter. Thats assuming they even agreed to proceed.

As for the basis of a suit, yes the guy is committing slander. I just doubt he can really build a very effective case. I dont know all the facts but the guy has to hurt his business/person and he needs to show that.
 
meowmeow said:
I have not read the posts in question but if he is spreading "bad rumors" you do have the basis for a law suit.



This is poor advice. You should never...NEVER go to any lawyer other than a very good one. (i.e board certified, top law school, spends a lot of time in the courtroom with success, great reputation among other lawyesr, AV rated, etc.). Also you should not persue this matter unless you are willing to carry it through to litigation. It may be that you can achieve satisfactory results/settlement well before the case is set for trial, but those results often only come because you are willing to take the case to trial.
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I see it as a serious claim. IF the DEA shows up, I lose alot of time and money plus reputation. I have a family. The e-mails from consumers asking questions in concern.
 
A stern letter alone will do nothing to deter this guy IMO especially seeing that he or his lackeys will come upon this thread and be pre warned. In fact, I would wager that this thread will soon be bloviated over on BB.

I get red under the collar everytime I read his posts. It's guys like him that have kept me away from BB for the most part. It's guys like that I wish would take a swing at me in the real world so they can experience what 5'8" 185lbs of mind over muscle is capable of with years of dedicated training. :D
 
USPLabs said:
I see it as a serious claim. IF the DEA shows up, I lose alot of time and money plus reputation. I have a family. The e-mails from consumers asking questions in concern.
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These are all important facts that you need to discuss with a competent attorney. I don't know all the details but it sounds like it 'could' go farther than simple **** talking on your company. Depending on the facts, the strength of possible claims could increase. I would still have a letter sent to him ASAP. In most cases, people dont know any better and a 'threat' from an official source could go a long way.
 
bpmartyr said:
A stern letter alone will do nothing to deter this guy IMO especially seeing that he or his lackeys will come upon this thread and be pre warned. In fact, I would wager that this thread will soon be bloviated over on BB.

I get red under the collar everytime I read his posts. It's guys like him that have kept me away from BB for the most part. It's guys like that I wish would take a swing at me in the real world so they can experience what 5'8" 185lbs of mind over muscle is capable of with years of dedicated training. :D
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Is this a rival company or just some schmoe on the forums? I'm trying to give some basic advice but I really dont know any details on the type of slander, the source, etc. I haven't even seen the thread.
 
meowmeow said:
Ninety-percent of attorneys have never tried a case in their entire career. They can all write letters but they fear the courtroom. Insurance companies in fact rate attorneys based on their experience and success in the courtroom. A "letter writing" attorney will never get the proper settlement offer because the insurance company has no fear of them.
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I agree. You have to understand I'm just telling him an approach to cheaply intimidate this clown. If it is just some moron hiding behind a computer a letter outlining possible action and so forth could be useful (and cheap!). I don't know who he is or the details of it. If he truly has a solid case for slander and can show some detriment than he should definately seek the best counsel he can afford. MeowMeow you seem eager to uplift yourself and cast me down as giving bad advice. However, you are totally misconstruing the advice I'm giving in the first place. For the most part I am in total agreement with what you have said.

Are you an attorney? IP? Litigation? Do you work in the supplement industry or are you just interested in it? Shoot me an email - Always looking for career advice from someone who has been in the game a while. Wish AM had PM's damnit...
 
bpmartyr said:
A stern letter alone will do nothing to deter this guy IMO especially seeing that he or his lackeys will come upon this thread and be pre warned. In fact, I would wager that this thread will soon be bloviated over on BB.

I get red under the collar everytime I read his posts. It's guys like him that have kept me away from BB for the most part. It's guys like that I wish would take a swing at me in the real world so they can experience what 5'8" 185lbs of mind over muscle is capable of with years of dedicated training. :D
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lol..he actually challenged me to a fight at the Arnolds..lol crazy.
 
meowmeow said:
I thought it was 184lbs. :yawn:
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OT, but it's actually 188 after 3 weeks of AP, in a deficit even! :D
 
USPLabs said:
lol..he actually challenged me to a fight at the Arnolds..lol crazy.
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whoop dat ass.

still haven't seen these posts at BB, do I have to go over to that cesspool and wade through it myself?
 
That guy is a jerk, :nutkick: I don't even read his posts any more. Good luck Jacob with whatever you decide:thumbsup: , we're behind you.
 
meowmeow said:
I apologize Alpine. I didn't mean to "cast you down". I've just experienced a lot in my 40 years...no need to take offense...I've been told my matter of fact style can be offensive...



You want my CV?

Highest percentile LSAT led me to
JD from top law school which led me to
starting and running my own litigation law firm for many years which led me to
the field of international finance which led me to
retire from the practice of law and focus exclusively on managing the large block of funds I had accumulated which has become my sole occupation.
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Damn, I was hoping you were a seasoned IP lawyer in the supplement industry or something. Now that would be unusual and interesting! Still, it sounds like you did very well for yourself. Starting your own firm though? Why, assume all that risk and overhead. Sounds very scary to me. If you truly graduated from a Top law school and at the top of your class (assumed since you did so well on LSAT) you could have just joined a huge international firm and made bank anyway. In fact, starting out new and starting a fledging firm you would likely make LESS than joining a huge juggernaut with a huge list of clients. In the longterm you could make more as a founding partner in a firm but it depends on your firm becoming a success. What motivated you to do that? Essentially you opted for less money right out school and a major risk/investment - doesn't make much sense? This is why we need PM on here. Nobody wants to be bothered reading our discussion.
 
meowmeow said:
I have not read the posts in question but if he is spreading "bad rumors" you do have the basis for a law suit.
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In this day and age, what isn't the basis for a lawsuit?
 
thesinner said:
In this day and age, what isn't the basis for a lawsuit?
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Dont worry, tort reform is coming...




USPLabs: I found the post(s) and browsed over them briefly. It reminds me of every other poo slinging battle between companies/reps that goes on over there. I didn't see anything too extraordinary. I really dont think you would have much luck getting any kind of damages. It would be a waste of money and I doubt anyone would even take the case. I stand by what I said, have your guys send him a spooky letter. ;) Thats about all you've got imo.
 
The best illegal advice I can give you is WHOOP ASS 101....take this mother f***er to school

But in all seriousness I think he wants you to fight him so he can say you f***ed him up and sue you that way and I wouldn't be suprised if he found you and started talkin s*** at the arnold.

Is his thread a secret or can you link us to it?
 
THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE:

Ummmmmmmm........there are two general lines of analysis to take with this:

1) Is there a claim? If so, are there recoverable damages?
2) Will anything be achieved even if the answer is yes to #1.

I haven't read the posts but..........I'm dubious about pursuing any action based upon what I've read here. It's not defamation to say something that is false. It's not even necessarily defamation to knowingly say something that is false. The analysis gets complicated really quickly.

Can you identify a couple specific statements which you believe are the most problematic? PM them to me so I can review them (no need to clutter this board by posting them here).
 
meowmeow said:
There is no better way to gain massive experience in litigation. You will have jury trials in the first year. At a large law firm you may never get to try a case before a jury.



I had financial backing to start the firm. Yes I clerked at a top law firm and could have chosen to work for any number of them.

There is a huge difference between "working for others bank" and my bank. For example I represented several pro athletes right out of law school...negotiated their contracts for a percentage...so I was better off on my own from the start.
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So are you a sports agent or a litigator? Jack of all trades who does it all? lol... Financial backing to start your own firm? How, from who? It all sounds real good but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Forgive me for being skeptical.
 
Alpine said:
So are you a sports agent or a litigator? Jack of all trades who does it all? lol... Financial backing to start your own firm? How, from who? It all sounds real good but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Forgive me for being skeptical.
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I have no idea who meowmeow is, but his story isn't unusual. The law degree opens LOTS of doors for a person. You quickly begin to associate with power players in business and government. If you're ambitious and have a little luck, you can parlay it into all sorts of things. I've achieved a number of things in a similar path (though I put my energy into working for nonprofit organizations so I haven't retired to manage my portfolio). Most people who graduate from law school leave the practice of law within the first 10 years after they graduate.....they use the experience and contacts they made to pursue other things. Off the top of my head, I have several classmates who now hold political office, one who is a successful novelist, a couple running businesses. To be honest, the ones who are the least happy are the ones who continue to practice law.
 
yeahright said:
THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE:

Ummmmmmmm........there are two general lines of analysis to take with this:

1) Is there a claim? If so, are there recoverable damages?
2) Will anything be achieved even if the answer is yes to #1.

I haven't read the posts but..........I'm dubious about pursuing any action based upon what I've read here. It's not defamation to say something that is false. It's not even necessarily defamation to knowingly say something that is false. The analysis gets complicated really quickly.

Can you identify a couple specific statements which you believe are the most problematic? PM them to me so I can review them (no need to clutter this board by posting them here).
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I agree and this is essentially what I said. He needs to show that the slander harmed him or his business in some way. And then even if he can prove this whose pockets is he going for? This clown is a nobody shooting his mouth off. The claims are fairly benign anyway. Even if you are successful what are you going to recover? This guy has no assets and doesn't work for a major company. This whole thing is a joke. All of you that are true attorneys should be laughing to yourself right now. If you want him to shut up go to the source. Complain to BB.com, you have more pull than he does. He can be warned or banned. Your other best bet is to just have your lawyer send him an intimidating letter outlining slanderous activity on his part and legal ramifications of them. You have no real case and even if you did, to what end?
 
yeahright said:
I have no idea who meowmeow is, but his story isn't unusual. The law degree opens LOTS of doors for a person. You quickly begin to associate with power players in business and government. If you're ambitious and have a little luck, you can parlay it into all sorts of things. I've achieved a number of things in a similar path (though I put my energy into working for nonprofit organizations so I haven't retired to manage my portfolio). Most people who graduate from law school leave the practice of law within the first 10 years after they graduate.....they use the experience and contacts they made to pursue other things. Off the top of my head, I have several classmates who now hold political office, one who is a successful novelist, a couple running businesses. To be honest, the ones who are the least happy are the ones who continue to practice law.
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I just think its odd a pro athlete would go to a brand new guy (no reputation, no known firm behind him) whose background (although minimal) is litigation. Dont you think said athlete would seek out a reputable sports agent with a background in contracts? In fact, why would anyone deal with someone for this purpose when its not even their area of practice? Call me skeptical, call me foolish, I dont know. Just calling it like I see it. I dont mean any disrespect to meowmeow.

As for careers, ya I keep hearing this yearight. Hopefully it will open many doors. Funny that everyone wants to get into law and then once they do they look for the best way out. Perhaps this is where I become disillusioned? :D Nice to see your input on all this. I'm still learning...
 
Jayhawkk said:
PM'd you the link YR
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Having read through a couple pages of this, I don't think any good can come from pursuing it. In fact, I believe even debating with the guy on the forums has no upside for synergy muscle. People like this you ignore. Just step over their bodies as you walk to the bank. If you do think something crosses a line, go quietly to the board admin and ask them to take care of it for you. Just my opinion.
 
Alpine said:
I just think its odd a pro athlete would go to a brand new guy (no reputation, no known firm behind him) whose background (although minimal) is litigation. Dont you think said athlete would seek out a reputable sports agent with a background in contracts? In fact, why would anyone deal with someone for this purpose when its not even their area of practice? Call me skeptical, call me foolish, I dont know. Just calling it like I see it. I dont mean any disrespect to meowmeow.

As for careers, ya I keep hearing this yearight. Hopefully it will open many doors. Funny that everyone wants to get into law and then once they do they look for the best way out. Perhaps this is where I become disillusioned? :D Nice to see your input on all this. I'm still learning...
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I do not find it that odd. I have a friend who graduated near the top of his class (3rd, I believe) at the University of Toronto who immediately began representing two NHL players. Now, obviously, NHL contracts are not as premiere or lucrative, for that matter, as other major sports, but nevertheless the situation is quite similar.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I do not find it that odd. I have a friend who graduated near the top of his class (3rd, I believe) at the University of Toronto who immediately began representing two NHL players. Now, obviously, NHL contracts are not as premiere or lucrative, for that matter, as other major sports, but nevertheless the situation is quite similar.
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If his focus was on negotiating K's and being a sports agent, no its not odd at all. If thats your specialty and you are the creme of the crop its not odd to get high level work right out of the gates. It's likely he either wants (or is) to be an agent or he has an emphasis on that area of law. He might even work for a firm who specializes in this? I dont know. But its true, its not required. Whats odd is that meowmeow says he started his own firm in an entirely different area of law and simultaneously obtained high level work that normally goes to such a firm, or agent with experience in that area and a reputation.

I feel a backlash coming on so I am just going to end it here. I mean no disrespect, it just seemed a lil fishy. If I have spoken out of my ass, forgive me. I'm no expert, as I said I'm simply learning the ropes.
 
USPLabs said:
Has anyone seen freedom writers..
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I thought it looked too "feel good" cheesy... heh if that makes any sense.

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Is this the never ending topic morphing thread?
 
It's a true story, but if you have not seen the movie. You would not understand the analogy.
 
meowmeow said:
I thought maybe your next question would be "how to get on the court appointed list" right after passing the bar so you'd have paying trial work...or maybe you wanted some practical advice on alternatives to working for a law firm...or maybe suggestions on how to take the network of contacts you already have and integrate them into a potential client list...

Perhaps you would ask how to get certified by the NFL Players Association...or maybe just maybe I'd clue you in to "making friends" with athletes at your school...

But you seem to have a lot of preconceived notions...you asked about me...I answered...and now you attack me. For what reason? The answer is not important.
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I apologize. As I said above, i don't mean disrespect. I wasn't trying to attack you. Forums allow us the luxury of being blunt and perhaps not as polite as we would be in person. You understand this. And I'm sure you can see where I could be skeptical. I just blatantly pointed out it seemed fishy. But hey, you cleared it up. I never said it was impossible, just implausible. :D Name one of these NFL players. I can easily look it up and see if they were ever represented by a random unknown agent in a certain time period.

My disregard for the hierarchy of posters here has made me no friends. In fact, much the opposite. I hope you don't hold a grudge towards me. You're story still sounds like BS to me. If its not, be that much more proud its so extraordinary that it doesn't fit the norm. Spouting of some basic terms doesn't validate anything you said. It also doesn't make the pieces fit where they don't seem to belong. With each rebuttal your story adapts and changes to answer the obvious discrepancies I pointed out. It just seems too convenient. Then again, I guess I was wrong...

Congratz on an unbelievable career.
 
yeahright said:
Having read through a couple pages of this, I don't think any good can come from pursuing it. In fact, I believe even debating with the guy on the forums has no upside for synergy muscle. People like this you ignore. Just step over their bodies as you walk to the bank. If you do think something crosses a line, go quietly to the board admin and ask them to take care of it for you. Just my opinion.
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I agree that debating with him would be no good for us but it's difficult to ignore someone's words when they are in a community such as they are. I do hope a solution can be met but I'm not too sure what that would be.
 
Just keep releasing great products and sooner or later no one will listen to that idiot.
 
My lawyer is actually the lawyer for James Brown and has been for a long time. I can give you the contact number if you want to see what he thinks.
 
I am curious USPLABS has it even been confirmed that the bottle that was sent out was the wrong product or what not? I apologize , but I really cant make head way on what has happened. I also dont know what the persons motivation on BB's forum, but it obvious that this guy has just about been on alot of forum boards to dig up alot of stuff.
 
rugger48 said:
I am curious USPLABS has it even been confirmed that the bottle that was sent out was the wrong product or what not? I apologize , but I really cant make head way on what has happened. I also dont know what the persons motivation on BB's forum, but it obvious that this guy has just about been on alot of forum boards to dig up alot of stuff.
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Were these bad questions?
 
It's hard when you are passionate about your company or product but chasing down and answering naysayers is a no win proposition. The nature of these boards is for members to give feedback on a mostly unscientific basis. The only thing that would lead me to consider litigation would false accusations of your products causing bodily harm or someone saying your label claims were way off. Anything else is better left alone. When you introduce products and have testers on that board you are going to have doubters, it's just too big of a board for there not to be. Your introduction of Cissus RX has given you a great amount of credibility and latitude in my book but I will also admit that I sometimes find the claims about AP to be hard to fathom. My hard earned money is hoping that the testers and hype is correct. I admire innovation but I also sense that your company is about to get big very fast and with the largess comes the drama. My 2 Cents
 
Well, having been in some legal battles myself you can play with him a little.

I believe Terrorist act can be applied to threats, sue him and make it costly- send a lot of paper and make discovery long. Dig into his past behavior, make it public. Summons his computer, emails and posts.

This is not whats taught in law schools, but is effective when dealing with small timers.

I have read most of his post and think you got a case with some legs, but you do have to prove loss, I think him getting in the way of the BB.com deal would be enough.
 
USPLabs said:
Before I higher my legal team of FDA lawyers that I have worked with in the past.

A member for 6 months at BB.com has a vendetta against USPlabs. He is lying about his claims.

I am going to persue this, but has there ever been a lawsuit over forum exchanges. He is clearly at fault. If the rumor spreads, This could make my life difficult without cause.


I have his real name and address. I think he needs to be served. This lawsuit will bring alot of attention to our world because of the bb.com association. This is probably attention we do not want. I love my industry but when do I draw the line.
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If you have nothing to hide why worry? Bringing the FDA in will not help you, it will open up a can of worms, are you ready for that?

You could see yourself on the news soon if this gets much bigger.
 
USPLabs said:
lol..he actually challenged me to a fight at the Arnolds..lol crazy.
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nice... i have a friend that can take care of that for you.....
 
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