[dr ozz]

I read in the other forums that people wrote about cissus and gyno and it made me a little worried. Is this a side-effect that has been reported in many cases? I didn't know cissus and powerfull has estrogenic properties, do they?

Oscar

Ps. Im dosing 2/2/2 each + Anagen

[RenegadeRows]

Honestly, if anything is doing it it's the Powefull. Some users experienced slight signs of gyno with Powerfull. It's because it really works: it really raises test. I recommend incorporating Rebound or ATD @25mg ED to combat possible estrogenic sides.

Could you point me to whatever thread has the Cissus relating to Gyno info??? I've never heard that before.

[dr ozz]

Ithink the post was called

Post your Cissus Reaction:

Im not sure how to post a link to a post(new on the site)

Oscar

[Ziricote]

It can aggrivate existing gyno but I've never heard of it causing gyno.
Edit- I'm not sure how cissus could aggrivate gyno or cause it, I don't believe it can...

[Jayhawkk]

I think almost all these gyno cases are just people with sore nipples and nothing more. I call it a case of Salty nipples. Ever worked out while in a sweaty shirt or ran a long distance and sweat a lot? Shirt and salt from sweat can aggrivate nipples. When I was in the army and had a long ruck march or run I put bandaides over them.

[USPLabs]

If you have pre existing gyno, your diet cause "gyno," but if you never had gyno than your diet can not cause gyno.

[lbarber]

I've used cissus rx and powerfull together, and saw no signs of gyno or increase in test. I've also seen no cases of acne from the products, or anything to that nature.


But note: I'm 17, and have a lot of it already.

The one thing I've noticed while taking powerfull is the impact it has had on my sleep, which has been pretty awesome. With cissus, I noticed a pump feeling (usually in the legs), and increase recovery times.

[wheels]

I'm using both cissus and powerful as part of my cycle with no signs of gyno ? .The recovery between sets is really quick and I don't feel so tried all the time.

[skull]

I did a little "research" on the sub and as long as you use powerfull with cissus it should be all good ----cissus is loaded with progestins[part of how it works] but powerfull works as a antiprogestin by raising dopamine levels----trying to get that info from USP very difficult but I BET they wont deni it

[USPLabs]

Originally Posted by skull

I did a little "research" on the sub and as long as you use powerfull with cissus it should be all good ----cissus is loaded with progestins[part of how it works] but powerfull works as a antiprogestin by raising dopamine levels----trying to get that info from USP very difficult but I BET they wont deni it

I have yet to read research that classifies Cissus as a progestin. Where was the "research" found?

PowerFULL does increase dopamine levels.

[DeerDeer]

Originally Posted by USPLabs

I have yet to read research that classifies Cissus as a progestin. Where was the "research" found?

PowerFULL does increase dopamine levels.

However it is quoted that it has androgenic properties in some of the studies. No?

[skull]

Originally Posted by USPLabs

I have yet to read research that classifies Cissus as a progestin. Where was the "research" found?

PowerFULL does increase dopamine levels.

Bibliographic Information

Active constituents (oxo steroids) of Cissus quadrangularis. Sen, S. P. Dept. Pharmacol., Banaras Hindu Univ., Indian Journal of Pharmacy (1964), 26(9), 247-8. CODEN: IJPAAO ISSN: 0019-5472. Journal written in English. CAN 62:22726 AN 1965:22726 CAPLUS

Abstract

An ether ext. of C. quadrangularis, purified by column chromatography, yielded an oxo steroid, m. 134-6°; Ac deriv. m. 124°. The uv and ir spectra suggested an a,b-unsatd. ketone.

Indexing -- Section 42 (Steroids)

Steroids
(keto, from Cissus quadrangularis)

Spectra, infrared
Spectra, visible and ultraviolet
(of keto steroid from Cissus quadrangularis)

Cissus quadrangularis
(oxo steroid from)

Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 15b,17,21-trihydroxy-
(nuclear magnetic resonance of)

57-83-0, Progesterone
63-05-8, Androst-4-ene-3,17-dione
152-58-9, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 17,21-dihydroxy-
600-48-6, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 6b,11a-dihydroxy-
640-87-9, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 17,21-dihydroxy-, 21-acetate
803-08-7, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 15a,17,21-trihydroxy-
1235-92-3, Androst-4-ene-3,17-dione, 7a,14-dihydroxy-
1758-12-9, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 15a,17,21-trihydroxy-, 15,21-diacetate
1758-13-0, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 15b,17,21-trihydroxy-, 21-acetate
1758-14-1, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 15b,17,21-trihydroxy-, 15,21-diacetate
1974-64-7, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 6b,11a-dihydroxy-, diacetate(nuclear magnetic resonance of)

1758-15-2, Androst-4-ene-3,17-dione, 7a,14-dihydroxy-, 7-acetate
10455-29-5, Androst-4-ene-3,15,17-trione
94963-21-0, Pregn-4-ene-3,15,20-trione, 17,21-dihydroxy-
(prepn. of)

[DeerDeer]

Originally Posted by skull

Bibliographic Information

Active constituents (oxo steroids) of Cissus quadrangularis. Sen, S. P. Dept. Pharmacol., Banaras Hindu Univ., Indian Journal of Pharmacy (1964), 26(9), 247-8. CODEN: IJPAAO ISSN: 0019-5472. Journal written in English. CAN 62:22726 AN 1965:22726 CAPLUS

Abstract

An ether ext. of C. quadrangularis, purified by column chromatography, yielded an oxo steroid, m. 134-6°; Ac deriv. m. 124°. The uv and ir spectra suggested an a,b-unsatd. ketone.

Indexing -- Section 42 (Steroids)

Steroids
(keto, from Cissus quadrangularis)

Spectra, infrared
Spectra, visible and ultraviolet
(of keto steroid from Cissus quadrangularis)

Cissus quadrangularis
(oxo steroid from)

Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 15b,17,21-trihydroxy-
(nuclear magnetic resonance of)

57-83-0, Progesterone
63-05-8, Androst-4-ene-3,17-dione
152-58-9, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 17,21-dihydroxy-
600-48-6, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 6b,11a-dihydroxy-
640-87-9, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 17,21-dihydroxy-, 21-acetate
803-08-7, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 15a,17,21-trihydroxy-
1235-92-3, Androst-4-ene-3,17-dione, 7a,14-dihydroxy-
1758-12-9, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 15a,17,21-trihydroxy-, 15,21-diacetate
1758-13-0, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 15b,17,21-trihydroxy-, 21-acetate
1758-14-1, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 15b,17,21-trihydroxy-, 15,21-diacetate
1974-64-7, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 6b,11a-dihydroxy-, diacetate(nuclear magnetic resonance of)

1758-15-2, Androst-4-ene-3,17-dione, 7a,14-dihydroxy-, 7-acetate
10455-29-5, Androst-4-ene-3,15,17-trione
94963-21-0, Pregn-4-ene-3,15,20-trione, 17,21-dihydroxy-
(prepn. of)

Great info - beat me to the punch! Makes you question its use as pct and explain its anabolic and androgenic potential.

I should get some more data on the properties of each of these components and their metabolites in vivo.

[skull]

Originally Posted by DeerDeer

Great info - beat me to the punch! Makes you question its use as post cycle therapy and explain its anabolic and androgenic potential.

I should get some more data on the properties of each of these components and their metabolites in vivo.

---dont get the wrong idea I love cissus I got a cabinet full --nothing better to take after a cycle or by itself---you just gota to know what your dealing with

[DeerDeer]

Originally Posted by skull

---dont get the wrong idea I love cissus I got a cabinet full --nothing better to take after a cycle or by itself---you just gota to know what your dealing with

Great point. I have found it to be a great product as well - but this is important info when considering potential sides and mode of action.

[USPLabs]

Originally Posted by skull

Bibliographic Information

Active constituents (oxo steroids) of Cissus quadrangularis. Sen, S. P. Dept. Pharmacol., Banaras Hindu Univ., Indian Journal of Pharmacy (1964), 26(9), 247-8. CODEN: IJPAAO ISSN: 0019-5472. Journal written in English. CAN 62:22726 AN 1965:22726 CAPLUS

Abstract

An ether ext. of C. quadrangularis, purified by column chromatography, yielded an oxo steroid, m. 134-6°; Ac deriv. m. 124°. The uv and ir spectra suggested an a,b-unsatd. ketone.

Indexing -- Section 42 (Steroids)

Steroids
(keto, from Cissus quadrangularis)

Spectra, infrared
Spectra, visible and ultraviolet
(of keto steroid from Cissus quadrangularis)

Cissus quadrangularis
(oxo steroid from)

Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 15b,17,21-trihydroxy-
(nuclear magnetic resonance of)

57-83-0, Progesterone
63-05-8, Androst-4-ene-3,17-dione
152-58-9, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 17,21-dihydroxy-
600-48-6, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 6b,11a-dihydroxy-
640-87-9, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 17,21-dihydroxy-, 21-acetate
803-08-7, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 15a,17,21-trihydroxy-
1235-92-3, Androst-4-ene-3,17-dione, 7a,14-dihydroxy-
1758-12-9, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 15a,17,21-trihydroxy-, 15,21-diacetate
1758-13-0, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 15b,17,21-trihydroxy-, 21-acetate
1758-14-1, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 15b,17,21-trihydroxy-, 15,21-diacetate
1974-64-7, Pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione, 6b,11a-dihydroxy-, diacetate(nuclear magnetic resonance of)

1758-15-2, Androst-4-ene-3,17-dione, 7a,14-dihydroxy-, 7-acetate
10455-29-5, Androst-4-ene-3,15,17-trione
94963-21-0, Pregn-4-ene-3,15,20-trione, 17,21-dihydroxy-
(prepn. of)

Did you happen to find this at AVANT forum?