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Once the old formula of C2 is out of stock, we will improve on the old formula. Well we already improved and some AM users loved the upgrades to C2.

I am contemplating adding in Thiamine disulfide O,O-diisobutyrate not in massive dosages just to increase focus. I feel the draw back with Thiamine disulfide O,O-diisobutyrate is that some do not react; some react with flu like symptoms(this may be a spike isulated issue but an issue) and some love it.

I do not want to design a product that is taken at 4pm and keeps you up till 4 am. Which also seems to be an issue.

Talk to me guys
 
Well being that I have been forced :rolleyes:to take Venom for Precontest prep due to some people not putting the new and improved C2 on the market... The Venom Hyperdrive has the Thiamine is some serious dosages, and that stuff is like crack, and VERY strong, but I like it and it def works, and for the sake of contest prep, I don't mind sweating off more pounds with its inclusion. Can you possibly do two versions like C2^4power (thats the new and improved C2 with Thiamine) And then C2V2 thats just the new and improved C2...

No matter what just put the stuff out D!!!:woohoo:
 
I'd agree with the 2 formulas idea. It would be great if you had something where you take the first dose when waking, and the second in the early afternoon, giving you time to come down and go to bed.
 
Apowerz6 said:
Well being that I have been forced :rolleyes:to take Venom for Precontest prep due to some people not putting the new and improved C2 on the market... The Venom Hyperdrive has the Thiamine is some serious dosages, and that stuff is like crack, and VERY strong, but I like it and it def works, and for the sake of contest prep, I don't mind sweating off more pounds with its inclusion. Can you possibly do two versions like C2^4power (thats the new and improved C2 with Thiamine) And then C2V2 thats just the new and improved C2...

No matter what just put the stuff out D!!!:woohoo:
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Forgive me!

Honestly, I like to avoid the crackish feeling.
 
I've not had issues taking Custom's Sulb. by itself.
By issues, I mean those seen with StimX or Venom...being up for 3 days straight, etc.

So, for me, if it's dosed reasonably, I don't see an issue with sulb. in C2.

But, the 2 formulas may be a good idea for those that are sensative to it.
 
jmh80 said:
I've not had issues taking Custom's Sulb. by itself.
By issues, I mean those seen with StimX or Venom...being up for 3 days straight, etc.

So, for me, if it's dosed reasonably, I don't see an issue with sulb. in C2.

But, the 2 formulas may be a good idea for those that are sensative to it.
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what dose? what was the latest you took it? How many times a day? Did you like it?
 
I usually take 300 to 400 mgs/day.

I only take it first thing for the "get up and go feeling" for work.

Only once.

Yeah, it's good. But it tastes awful.

I really, really like the StimX, Venom, Spike type of supps. I just wish they didn't keep me up sooooo long. It's difficult to get to bed by 11pm and I take them at like 6am or so.
 
jmh80 said:
I usually take 300 to 400 mgs/day.

I only take it first thing for the "get up and go feeling" for work.

Only once.

Yeah, it's good. But it tastes awful.

I really, really like the StimX, Venom, Spike type of supps. I just wish they didn't keep me up sooooo long. It's difficult to get to bed by 11pm and I take them at like 6am or so.
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WOW the dose is that high. This will not work well with new C2 because its already potent on another level.

I want people to sleep. Thermos become counter productive very fast when sleep is affected.

We developed REM-R3G for the importance of sleep.

I been taking REM-R3G for the last 3 weeks. I sleep for 10 hours. I wake up with full muscle bellies and a flatter stomach and love handles(small bit that is stuborn) is gone!

decision made it will be excluded and its all jmh80 fault so e-mail him:run:
 
Bah!!!

I think you are not taking into account that those products have some other stuff in them.
StimX has geranium oil - similar to what is in Amp. So, it's like pumped-up Amp since Amp doesn't have Sulb.



I tell ya what - make a bottle with the Sulbutiamine added and I'll test it for you. I'll take it around lunch time or so to see if it affects sleep.
 
jmh80 said:
Bah!!!

I think you are not taking into account that those products have some other stuff in them.
StimX has geranium oil - similar to what is in Amp. So, it's like pumped-up Amp since Amp doesn't have Sulb.



I tell ya what - make a bottle with the Sulbutiamine added and I'll test it for you. I'll take it around lunch time or so to see if it affects sleep.
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We just may sell it seperate but not include it with a few extra goodies:}
 
I'd like to see you drop the synephrine and add more Chocoamine. Throw in some huperzine-A and centrophenoxine or idebenone. Perhaps some polygonum multiflorum.

I personally wouldn't like the addition of that particular thiamine analog. If you do use it, you MUST couple it with r-ala... that's the secret to minimizing side effects and maximizing benefits.
 
Aeternitatis said:
I'd like to see you drop the synephrine and add more Chocoamine. Throw in some huperzine-A and centrophenoxine or idebenone. Perhaps some polygonum multiflorum.

I personally wouldn't like the addition of that particular thiamine analog. If you do use it, you MUST couple it with r-ala... that's the secret to minimizing side effects and maximizing benefits.
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This guy!

Synephrine is not on the new C2 label and it does have more chocamine...man this guy is good and it will not have any thiamine analogs.
 
Aeternitatis said:
I'd like to see you drop the synephrine and add more Chocoamine. Throw in some huperzine-A and centrophenoxine or idebenone. Perhaps some polygonum multiflorum.

I personally wouldn't like the addition of that particular thiamine analog. If you do use it, you MUST couple it with r-ala... that's the secret to minimizing side effects and maximizing benefits.
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Tell me about thiamin and r-ala..trial and error?
 
If you did another "Camped" type of thing with Sulb. for like $15 a bottle - I'd buy (again).

I had 2 of the cAmped bottles.

And I've not seen any differences when I've taken the K-R-ALA that I have from Nutraplanet with any of the supps. that have the sulbutiamine.
So, I'm not sure where you are going Aetern...
 
USPLabs said:
Tell me about thiamin and r-ala..trial and error?
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Well, thiamine basically opens the "bottle neck" for r-ala supplementation. I'd like to tell you more, but me and my crew might be developing something out of it. ;)
 
Aeternitatis said:
Well, thiamine basically opens the "bottle neck" for r-ala supplementation. I'd like to tell you more, but me and my crew might be developing something out of it. ;)
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Well for the ones just supplementing can you point out some faq's or Pm's? Because I am quite curious about R-ala, and its positive effects on body comp.
 
I've gotten some weird arrythmias from sulbutiamine...so much so that I'm never going to take it again.

You could do what custom did with Power Jolt...make one with, and one without...I figure the new C2 would probably be just as effective without the sulbutiamine as with it.
 
USPLabs said:
This guy!

Synephrine is not on the new C2 label and it does have more chocamine...man this guy is good and it will not have any thiamine analogs.
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In that case I'm gonna ventur even farther.

I also think the caffeine should be removed. Chocoamine has a great methylxanthine profile and with more of it, no need for added caffeine. I say, stay away from the overt stims and go for "real energy".

Also, seriously look into gynostemma pentaphyllum (Jiaogulan). At 75-100mg per serving it is very good stuff. Small dose (it's fairly dense) leaves penty of room in the capsule for other things.

Perhaps look at some highly concentrated "yang" herbs like panax ginseng (heaven-grade baby!) or the lesser fo-ti. Could do a lot for the clean energy feeling.

And please DO NOT put vinpocetine in it. I hate that stuff. If you want to go in that direction, use a standardized full-spectrum extract of periwinkle. Much better IMHO.
 
Aeternitatis said:
In that case I'm gonna ventur even farther.

I also think the caffeine should be removed. Chocoamine has a great methylxanthine profile and with more of it, no need for added caffeine. I say, stay away from the overt stims and go for "real energy".

Also, seriously look into gynostemma pentaphyllum (Jiaogulan). At 75-100mg per serving it is very good stuff. Small dose (it's fairly dense) leaves penty of room in the capsule for other things.

Perhaps look at some highly concentrated "yang" herbs like panax ginseng (heaven-grade baby!) or the lesser fo-ti. Could do a lot for the clean energy feeling.

And please DO NOT put vinpocetine in it. I hate that stuff. If you want to go in that direction, use a standardized full-spectrum extract of periwinkle. Much better IMHO.
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Well, we only use 100mg of caffiene. WHy caffiene? cAMP is deactivated
by an enzyme called phosphodiesterase. Caffeine inhibits the action of phospodiesterase thereby prolonging lipolysis.
 
USPLabs said:
Well, we only use 100mg of caffiene. WHy caffiene? cAMP is deactivated
by an enzyme called phosphodiesterase. Caffeine inhibits the action of phospodiesterase thereby prolonging lipolysis.
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True, but it's negatives associated with insulin sensitivity and ATP are to be considered.

But most importantly, C2 could be more versatile without added caffeine. The way I see it, caffeine is ridiculously cheap and can easily be added separately at the users discretion.

It's good that you stay at a lower amount of caffeine. I say use the minimum necessary to get the effect desired when dealing with caffeine. However, the methylxanthine content of chocoamine should be factored in as well.
 
Aeternitatis said:
True, but it's negatives associated with insulin sensitivity and ATP are to be considered.

But most importantly, C2 could be more versatile without added caffeine. The way I see it, caffeine is ridiculously cheap and can easily be added separately at the users discretion.

It's good that you stay at a lower amount of caffeine. I say use the minimum necessary to get the effect desired when dealing with caffeine. However, the methylxanthine content of chocoamine should be factored in as well.
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Do you have proof that 200mg of caffiene pre-workout effects insulin sensitivity?

Try marketing a product and then try marketing a product to an audience that is not supplement savy (a customer that shops at CNW for bulks is savy and a limited audience). A very small percent of potential customers wants to buy C2 and later find out that caffiene will increase its effectiveness. Caffiene makes C2 a superior product over the same formula without caffiene. Education is difficult and it would only confuse. Plus we have this great product called cAMPHIBOLIC (which many supplement savy .
 
Aeternitatis said:
True, but it's negatives associated with insulin sensitivity and ATP are to be considered.

But most importantly, C2 could be more versatile without added caffeine. The way I see it, caffeine is ridiculously cheap and can easily be added separately at the users discretion.

It's good that you stay at a lower amount of caffeine. I say use the minimum necessary to get the effect desired when dealing with caffeine. However, the methylxanthine content of chocoamine should be factored in as well.
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cAMPHIBOLIC is versatile in the sense that it can become a great stimulant if an stimulant is added. Forskolin and Bacopa are cognitive that produces what I call "a clear focused mind."
 
I agree USP. You can't market products to us.
We are generally knowledeable and do our homework before buying.
And while we do make REALLY big purchases (some over $300 in my case), we don't keep companies afloat. There aren't enough of us out there.
 
jmh80 said:
I agree USP. You can't market products to us.
We are generally knowledeable and do our homework before buying.
And while we do make REALLY big purchases (some over $300 in my case), we don't keep companies afloat. There aren't enough of us out there.
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Trust me I do market to you, and have to educate about the product.

For example, I mention that caffiene can be used with cAMPHIBOLIC and its generaly understood on why in this community. You guys want to learn but the general supplement audience just want to lose fat or gain muscle.
 
Oh, I know you guys market to us. But, I think it's only more difficult in the convincing sense. We like to be shown the science and PubMed studies (or logs).

With the general public, they seem to buy anything that the worker behind the counter recommends. So, it's getting them access and a gentle prodding.
I know - I've sold probably 10 or so bottles (maybe more from friends telling other friends) of Powerfull through word of mouth at my gym.
 
jmh80 said:
Oh, I know you guys market to us. But, I think it's only more difficult in the convincing sense. We like to be shown the science and PubMed studies (or logs).

With the general public, they seem to buy anything that the worker behind the counter recommends. So, it's getting them access and a gentle prodding.
I know - I've sold probably 10 or so bottles (maybe more from friends telling other friends) of Powerfull through word of mouth at my gym.
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Thank you and its meant!
 
Today at the store I went to pickup protein. The clerk tried selling me on leukic and gakic and I ended up selling him on a bottle of cissus for his sore elbow.
 
Yeah, but 99.9% of everyone else who was looking to add muscle (and had the $$) would have bought it.
 
USPLabs said:
Do you have proof that 200mg of caffiene pre-workout effects insulin sensitivity?

Try marketing a product and then try marketing a product to an audience that is not supplement savy (a customer that shops at CNW for bulks is savy and a limited audience). A very small percent of potential customers wants to buy C2 and later find out that caffiene will increase its effectiveness. Caffiene makes C2 a superior product over the same formula without caffiene. Education is difficult and it would only confuse. Plus we have this great product called cAMPHIBOLIC (which many supplement savy .
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You are 100% right on this one. The vast majority will prefer and be more satisfied with the small amount of added caffeine in the product.
 
To the original q, I say stay away from the salbut analogs. I love ALRI, but cannot handle Venom for that reason. I feel great for hours, then feel like a got the flu for the other half coupled with a nice case of insomnia.... :-(
 
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