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Cissus for back pain

johnfaceman

johnfaceman

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Hey USP,
I have a quick question. My father had multiple back surgeries on ruptured disks and pinched nerves due to lifting heavy material when he was younger for his business. I was wondering if Cissus would relieve some of the daily pain or if it was more for just the joints?
He has somewhat bad joints so he may try it anyway, but I was wondering if he would see any relief in the back as well. Thanks a lot.
 
the short answer of your question is... YES.. cissus does a wonderful job on easing and also promoting healing for back pain.
 
I'll second the above response, I've had numerous problems with my back from being hit behind playing hockey and after starting the Cissus I have much less discomfort.

jecko
 
Hey thanks guys. Exactly what I wanted to hear. He is a skeptic about everything, so if he is sold on Cissus, it is a hell of a product.
 
I'd also like to comment that cissus works pretty well for immediate pain relief (in place of using tylenol or something like that). I've been using it for a few weeks now and have noticed that after a heavy curl session when my forearms kinda ache the pain subsides rather quickly after a dose of cissus.

On top of that I tweaked my knee squatting a week ago and while I dont' want to push it, I found myself repping 230 easily on the leg extension machine (which I used in place of squats to "rehab" things a bit). Probably not the brightest thing to do, but ironically I felt fine the entire time and still do 2 days later. I should be back to squatting in another week :-)
 
Having had back surgery and also taking Cissus a few different courses/cycles.... If your dad has the all too common arthritic changes that comes with Degenerative Disc Disease, he will likely feel some nice analgesia from Cissus, and notice more flexibility, less aches and stiffness. Hopefully he gets more than that, but I'd say he can look forward to feeling better. It certainly was noticeable for me, and I've had L5-S1 fused. Because chronic pain is both local as well as an overall state of being for a person, a nice effect of Cissus and things like Powerfull is that if you feel relief in knees, shoulders, etc from taking cissus, get some enhanced well being out of Powerfull - you can sometimes just stop noticing the lower back pain as much - or at least, it's not as frustrating or a nag when you feel good in other ways.

While we're on the subject, if he hasnt ever tried Active Release Techniques (ART), I highly recommend that for maintenence and possible prevention of other discs going out. Invalid Link Removed.

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Bump on the Active releasse therapy been reading on it for YEARS. I mean way back when muscle media was muscle media 2000, and that had that guy promoting the ART who looked kinda like Luke Skywalker ( no I'm not kiddding). I've always wanted to try it but my health insurance has sucked for some time now and when it was good (like 2-3 years ago), I couldn't find a practicioner in my area and didn't have a dependable car.

Just wondering to those who have tried it. Did you you notice immediate improvements in the weight room ie. ROM, weights lifted, ect.? How long did it last for? In other words I've gone to a chiropractor before and noticed some relief but it's generally just a temporary fix and I had to go at least 1-2 times a week.

BTW while I haven't had the therapy, I've heard a ton of good feedback and some real impressive testimonials.
 
wideguy said:
Bump on the Active releasse therapy been reading on it for YEARS. I mean way back when muscle media was muscle media 2000, and that had that guy promoting the ART who looked kinda like Luke Skywalker ( no I'm not kiddding). I've always wanted to try it but my health insurance has sucked for some time now and when it was good (like 2-3 years ago), quote]

I think you're talking about TC Luoma from Testosterone.net - sort of a Luke Skywalker moppy top 70's hair-do:blink:

Anyways, I can only speak from experience - I got it done for lowerback, core issues and I cant recommend it highly enough.

That said, I did get some shoulder, upper back, tricep/bicep insertion work done, and it was AWESOME. I didnt have clinical/serious problems with those areas, but nagging tendinitis, lack of ROM... Helped considerably, and for the most part, havent had problems since.
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You have health insurance? If not, what did it cost you?

BTW, it's totatlly irrelevant but it wasn't TC he still writes for Testosterone mag and I know what he looks like very well.
 
Could somebody describe this art treatment, what do they do? How is it different from chiro and massage? I looked at the site but it's too vague.
 
warriorway said:
Could somebody describe this art treatment, what do they do? How is it different from chiro and massage? I looked at the site but it's too vague.
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ART is a special way to describe myofacil(spelling?) message. Basically its a special technique that should increase blood flow and losen up scare tissue to increase blood flow to injured areas.

If a chiropracter advertises and is listed as an ART therapist he must pay a percentage to the patent owners.
 
USPLabs said:
ART is a special way to describe myofacil(spelling?) message. Basically its a special technique that should increase blood flow and losen up scare tissue to increase blood flow to injured areas.

If a chiropracter advertises and is listed as an ART therapist he must pay a percentage to the patent owners.
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Active Release is the real deal - I've experienced it first hand when my shoulder was messed up, and it has helped with my damaged knee. Dr. Chaz on bodysculpters.com is an ART cert, you might ask him for some info.
 
Malek256 said:
Active Release is the real deal - I've experienced it first hand when my shoulder was messed up, and it has helped with my damaged knee. Dr. Chaz on bodysculpters.com is an ART cert, you might ask him for some info.
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That's what I've been hearing.
I found this on the web it sounds like it would feel really good.


Active Release Techniques® is applied by hand using a very specific pressure and tension on the muscle involved while moving the muscle underneath the contact (thumb or fingers of doctor's hand). "The affected tissue is trapped while the body part is moved, taking the tissue from its shortened to elongated position. Relative motion between tissues is introduced in order to restore glideing between those tissues" (Leahy). This method softens and stretches the scar tissue, resulting in increased range of motion, increased strength, and improved circulation which optimizes healing.
 
If by good you mean painful then I think you'd be right. Anyway from wha I remember reading, that's what I got. ANyone care to comment on how painful the treatment is, like I said I remember reading it hurt. To be honest I could really care less, assuming it works.
 
wideguy said:
If by good you mean painful then I think you'd be right. Anyway from wha I remember reading, that's what I got. ANyone care to comment on how painful the treatment is, like I said I remember reading it hurt. To be honest I could really care less, assuming it works.
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It literally made me weep when my knee was worked on. I was told many years ago that "without surgery" I'd be crippled sooner or later - and with surgery I'd probably have a small limp.

I run pretty well and can deadlift 450, in part due to ART work on the knee and a (very, very good) Registered Massage Therapist who used to be a competitive powerlifter.
 
Very interesting. I got a woman on the phone today and told her I'd like to discuss pricing, as I am uninsured, we spoke for a few minutes about ART and she was impressed at how much I knew. Said she'd call back. NEVER DID @#$(*#&! I'll call again tomorrow. How many sessions did it take Malek and how bad where you before hand?
 
wideguy said:
Very interesting. I got a woman on the phone today and told her I'd like to discuss pricing, as I am uninsured, we spoke for a few minutes about ART and she was impressed at how much I knew. Said she'd call back. NEVER DID @#$(*#&! I'll call again tomorrow. How many sessions did it take Malek and how bad where you before hand?
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Let's see, for my knee and shoulder they both were "functional" within 2 sessions. Neither are perfect of course, but they were significantly better and definitely stronger.

My knee used to just give out on a weekly basis. It's held tight for about a year, it gave out about a week ago but I have not been able to take proper care with being overworked/overstressed/driving/carrying my daughter etc. and my back is also killing so that's not really a fair comparison. I am pretty sure if I'd kept training, etc. over that time and wasn't stressed to the max, it wouldnt have quit out. As it is, I saw the RMT (who's not an ART) and shoulder/back, etc. are functioning well again.
 
ART and Pain

The pain is relative - ie, if you've had back surgery, had to go through the first few weeks post surgery, etc.. then ART is a breeze.

It's functional pain - meaning it doesnt feel like it's hurting you in a bad way. But it is definitely intense. Imagine you just did squats for the first time in eons and have intense DOMS.. and then you had a massage therapist work the muscle by doing stripping/kneading on that muscle. You'd be hating life and cursing the massage lady, but you'd tell her to keep doing it, because it did feel good in a sick way. well ART is kinda like that.

In all seriousness, the practictioner will listen to you, and you can have him take 6 passes to do an area and go slower, instead of doing the same work in 3 passes (Which would be more "painful"). I kind of like the pain. The only ones where you feel like you're going to jump off the table is when they're clearing out either really gnarly stuff, or for me, when they go into the abdomen area, and do your psoas, adductors, etc... that's pretty intense. Kind of feels like a hot knife for a spilit second.

You learn to breathe through it. If you're really scared of pain, I guess you could always pop a vicodin before, if you have a script for that.
 
THat's right cause we all know vicodin are like impossible to get without a script....BWAHHAHAHAHA!

Seriously though thats kinda what I imagined it would feel like. Sorta like a deep tissue massage over REALLLY sore muscle. Hopefully I'll be able to stop imagining and feel the glorious pain for myself. I have to call them again today, man I hate getting jerked for having no insurance. WHO DOESN'T like cash?@*#&$T@*#%@!
 
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