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powerFULL bloodwork coming soon....

Max32

Max32

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Had blood taken yesterday, should be ready early next wk:

Total Test
Free Test
Estradiol
FSH
LH
DHEA Sulfate
 
this should be interesting, i think you might be shocked of what you will find, but i am going to hold off on my theory
 
MaynardMeek said:
this should be interesting, i think you might be shocked of what you will find, but i am going to hold off on my theory
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Might as well say what your theory is now because if you say it afterwards and you are right everyone will just figure you changed it to fit the blood test results.


CROWLER
 
Maynard-Id like to hear your theory as well.

I really hope its not supressive, i dont kno how it would cause the gains that it is though otherwise.
 
IMPORTANT.


Thought I'd let everyone know that PowerFull is not the only thing that will be affecting Max32's results. He was also running ALRI Retain. This almost makes his blood results unaffective at proving one way or another shutdown with PowerFull, IMO.
 
IheartAvantLabs said:
IMPORTANT.


Thought I'd let everyone know that PowerFull is not the only thing that will be affecting Max32's results. He was also running ALRI Retain. This almost makes his blood results unaffective at proving one way or another shutdown with PowerFull, IMO.
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Since when has a 7-OXO analogue, tyramine, or clary sage ever shown to be suppressive? Ceosm, and the rest of the board knew I was just coming off a PCT including ultra Hotter, activate, retain, and fenotest. The f'ing "anti-ALRI" campaign is getting out of hand:wtf: I have been off retain now for about 2 weeks. Ideally, these results will show everything on the positive end which will be a good sign for both ALRI and USP.
 
Max, what were ALL the things you were using at the time the bloodwork was taken? If using more than one thing, then it will be impossible to tell what did what... but of course I still appreciatte the bloodwork.
 
LuckyBoy said:
also how long have you been on the powerFULL at the time of testing?
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9 days which is plenty of time to see effects on the HPTA. Some were shut down on SD in less than 3 days....
 
lifted said:
Max, what were ALL the things you were using at the time the bloodwork was taken? If using more than one thing, then it will be impossible to tell what did what... but of course I still appreciatte the bloodwork.
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powerfull was the only questionable product at the time. My standards were also taken, but the are vits, aminos, etc.....
 
Basically Max is just checking to see if the Powerfull causes shutdown, he has been off the UH'er for long enough that it will not impede results and the Retain would have no effect on hormone levels what so ever. 9 days will be plenty of time to see if it causes shutdown. The only thing that I can see that would cause misleading results about powerfull causing shutdown is if he has not completely recovered yet, so it will be a toss up between UH'er not being effective or that powerfull does cause suppression. Hormone blood tests are always good to have:). Eagerly anticipating the results Max. This stuff sounds pretty good.
 
Nate Dawg said:
Basically Max is just checking to see if the Powerfull causes shutdown, he has been off the UH'er for long enough that it will not impede results and the Retain would have no effect on hormone levels what so ever. 9 days will be plenty of time to see if it causes shutdown. The only thing that I can see that would cause misleading results about powerfull causing shutdown is if he has not completely recovered yet, so it will be a toss up between UH'er not being effective or that powerfull does cause suppression. Hormone blood tests are always good to have:). Eagerly anticipating the results Max. This stuff sounds pretty good.
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Agreed, it only took me 5 times reading it over and over to finally understand...lol.
 
But, lets play what if.

What if Powerfull raises natural test? Then it doesn't necessarily indicate that Ultra Hotter was solely responsible for restoring natural test.

Yes, still interested in seeing the results.
 
bow said:
But, lets play what if.

What if Powerfull raises natural test? Then it doesn't necessarily indicate that Ultra Hotter was solely responsible for restoring natural test.

Yes, still interested in seeing the results.
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still though, 9 days....? I really don't think that is enough time to show any hormonal indicators other than the dreaded hpta shutdown.....
 
Nate Dawg said:
Basically Max is just checking to see if the Powerfull causes shutdown, he has been off the UH'er for long enough that it will not impede results and the Retain would have no effect on hormone levels what so ever. 9 days will be plenty of time to see if it causes shutdown. The only thing that I can see that would cause misleading results about powerfull causing shutdown is if he has not completely recovered yet, so it will be a toss up between UH'er not being effective or that powerfull does cause suppression. Hormone blood tests are always good to have:). Eagerly anticipating the results Max. This stuff sounds pretty good.
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BINGO!
 
here is some comparative bloodwork taken in June:



total test: 471 (241-827)
Free test: 9.6 (9.3-26.5)

this is pre-everything hormonal and post the original retain beta, so for anyone that claimed retain was suppressive....
 
Wish you would have liver values checked, cuz I'm thining of using this after an oral AAS but I'm worried about liver toxicity. :\
 
BOHICA said:
Wish you would have liver values checked, cuz I'm thining of using this after an oral AAS but I'm worried about liver toxicity. :\
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Little low on the ol' $$ right now....
 
Man, i cant wait for those results. My powerfull is supposed to be here tomorrow. I am about a week into PCT so I need to know if I can use it. Thanks for getting the Bloodwork Max.
 
any news on the bloodwork yet? I have been following powerfull all over, very excited about it. As soon as I see some bloodwork to verify that there is no shutdown I'll be sure to order a few bottles :) this feels like Christmas!
 
Chill. Its coming. Max posted this in another thread on Friday.

Max32 said:
Christ y'all need to get some patience (in my best Axel Rose voice). Bad news kiddies, just spoke with the doc's office, and he is out of town till tuesday. My bloodwork just came back, but cannot be mailed or faxed without his analysis of it. So......we are looking at mid next week. I know, I know, I am pissed as well!
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Edit: The guy who was freaking out deleted his post.
 
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Here are the #s pre cycle and post PH cycle, then hotter, retain and activate PCT, and powerFULL after:
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pre: (June 05)
total test: 471 (241-827)
Free test: 9.6 (9.3-26.5)
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post (late sept 05, immediately after hotter at 3 1/2 weeks and a week into powerFULL)
Obviously, they used a different test for these #s, but it looks as though the hotter did what it was designed to do and the powerFULL did not appear to be suppressive (cheers from everyone!!!) My free (active) test more than doubled (activaTE no doubt a positive culprit here as well), estradiol was well under control and total test looks to be on the road to recovery.....

Total test: 257 (250-1100)
Free Test: 2.06 (1.1-2.8)
Free test(2): 53 (35-155)
DHEA sulfate: 156 (110-510)
FSH: 2.6 (1.6-8.0)
LH: 3.4 (1.5-9.3)
estradiol: 27 (13-54)
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wow! that's great news! looks like I may have to order somer Powerfull :)
Thanks for posting your results.
 
Thanks Max....

For your trouble and easing some minds, I would like to send you some gifts:}

ceosm
 
Max do you have any information on the possibility that the ingredient in Hotter can corss react when they do the measurement for total test and give a false positive result for both Fre and Total Test? Meaning that the testing procedure mistakes the ingredient in Hotter for test because of particular structural similarities. I have seen a number of studies to this effect but I don't know if I am behind on this and thought that you might have a line into what ALR says about this. Thanks.

Mr.50




Max32 said:
Here are the #s pre cycle and post PH cycle, then hotter, retain and activate PCT, and powerFULL after:

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pre: (June 05)
total test: 471 (241-827)
Free test: 9.6 (9.3-26.5)
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post (late sept 05, immediately after hotter at 3 1/2 weeks and a week into powerFULL)
Obviously, they used a different test for these #s, but it looks as though the hotter did what it was designed to do and the powerFULL did not appear to be suppressive (cheers from everyone!!!) My free (active) test more than doubled (activaTE no doubt a positive culprit here as well), estradiol was well under control and total test looks to be on the road to recovery.....

Total test: 257 (250-1100)
Free Test: 2.06 (1.1-2.8)
Free test(2): 53 (35-155)
DHEA sulfate: 156 (110-510)
FSH: 2.6 (1.6-8.0)
LH: 3.4 (1.5-9.3)
estradiol: 27 (13-54)

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Mr.50 said:
Max do you have any information on the possibility that the ingredient in Hotter can corss react when they do the measurement for total test and give a false positive result for both Fre and Total Test? Meaning that the testing procedure mistakes the ingredient in Hotter for test because of particular structural similarities. I have seen a number of studies to this effect but I don't know if I am behind on this and thought that you might have a line into what ALR says about this. Thanks.

Mr.50
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50, have not heard anything to that effect, but will look into it. I really do not see this as a possibility though....
 
USPLabs said:
Thanks Max....

For your trouble and easing some minds, I would like to send you some gifts:}

ceosm
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:dance: Sounds good...and no problem with the tests bro
 
Thx for the bloodwork max.

Mr. 50, you do bring up a valid point. Although I think Max was off of the hotter for a week or so if I remember correctly? If not, then the hotter would def throw yet another monkey wrench into the outcome w/o a doubt.
 
Thanks Max. If you can see what ALR or one of his guys (or gals) says it would be great. In the mean time I will look for a few of the research studies and try to post them here or at least a link.



Max32 said:
50, have not heard anything to that effect, but will look into it. I really do not see this as a possibility though....
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Steroids. 1980 Dec;36(6):717-21.

Immunological interference of the synthetic aromatase inhibitor 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione (ATD) and its metabolite(s) in the radioimmunoassay for testosterone.

Donaldson MD, Forest MG.

Radioimmunoassay (RIA) for testosterone (T) in unchromatographed plasma extracts from ATD-treated rats gave spuriously high values for T. Cross-reaction and chromatographic studies subsequently showed that ATD and, to a much greater extent, its metabolite(s) were responsible for this overestimation. Celite column chromatography proved to be an effective way of separating T from ATD and its product(s) of metabolism.

PMID: 7210060
 
As I've mentioned afew times thus far, PowerFULL is a saponin-based product that will not cause shutdown.. If saponins shut you down, people are wasting time using tribulus during PCT, especially a high-saponin product..
 
Pete, they are referring to my using Hotter for PCT. You guys need to realize though that hotter =/= ATD. Methylation changes a compound. Remember, think EQ and dianabol.
 
I dont really understand all these numbers etc, can we attribute any increase in test to powerFULL, also what mecnisism is powerFULL working through.

P.S.

THanks Max for taking time to do this bro.
 
It could all be from Powerfull. It could also be that test wasn't actually increased but that the Hotter gave a false positive. So the bottom line is that the bloodwork doesn't look bad but it does not definatively answer our questions.



rockstar6181 said:
I dont really understand all these numbers etc, can we attribute any increase in test to powerFULL, also what mecnisism is powerFULL working through.

P.S.

THanks Max for taking time to do this bro.
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well ****, then soemone else get off their ass and do it! And 1 week on powerfull pulling someone out of post cycle rebound....not likely; it would however have been plenty long enough to cause shutdown, which it did not.
 
No Max you misunderstand. I am sorry I sounded like I was complaining. All of us, myself included, greatly appreciate your efforts in this blood work and all the other positive feedback you have given us. I was just trying to say that this was the first important step because it is the first feedback we have at all on what is really going on in our bodies with Powerfull. As with any other scientific experiment repeated examination is required to isolate all variables. Again I apologise for sounding ungreatful.

Mr.50


Max32 said:
well ****, then soemone else get off their ass and do it! And 1 week on powerfull pulling someone out of post cycle rebound....not likely; it would however have been plenty long enough to cause shutdown, which it did not.
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