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Seems like an amazing supplement from all that is written but how is it for side effects?
A few of us have noticed less than full erections due to the vasoconstriction from it. I noticed it particularly at the two week mark, but it seems to have gone away in the last few days. Other than that I haven't had any sides with it.Seems like an amazing supplement from all that is written but how is it for side effects?
I am sure you would agree - This is not exclusive to OEP in anyway; this is the nature of the stimulants contained.A few of us have noticed less than full erections due to the vasoconstriction from it. I noticed it particularly at the two week mark, but it seems to have gone away in the last few days. Other than that I haven't had any sides with it.
I've experienced vasoconstriction with other stims, is there anything I can do to counteract this like take a blood thinner (ginkgo, nattokinase or something)?A few of us have noticed less than full erections due to the vasoconstriction from it. I noticed it particularly at the two week mark, but it seems to have gone away in the last few days. Other than that I haven't had any sides with it.
Yeah, it's the 1,3 Dimethylamylamine that causes it.I am sure you would agree - This is not exclusive to Jack3d in anyway; this is the nature of the stimulants contained.
haha exactly..Yes... weight loss.
Can't really call this a side effect you had a reaction to it unlike others. Like I said before your probably a super responder the the thermo effects and a non-responder to the appetite suppression. I believe if you would have stuck to it, you would have lost some serious weight. Just would have taken some will power. Your calories may have been a bit low also as the Thermo was probably speeding your calorie consumption.yes, it increased my hunger by alot. not kidding, nothing against usp, i like "recreate"
i quite after 20 days, i just decided to run a h-drol cycle, just being honest here i was very frustrated with my hunger. my calories are the same year round but i see what you are saying.Can't really call this a side effect you had a reaction to it unlike others. Like I said before your probably a super responder the the thermo effects and a non-responder to the appetite suppression. I believe if you would have stuck to it, you would have lost some serious weight. Just would have taken some will power. Your calories may have been a bit low also as the Thermo was probably speeding your calorie consumption.
The problem could be the extra 200mgs of caffeine with 2 OEPs that is 400mgs of caffeine total?back to the side effect topic for guy who asked question,
i work out 4 hours after AM dose, i started by taking 2 OEP's and by workout time i had a severe crash, could barely work out although i took 200mg caffeine pre-workout.
anyways i switched my dosing from 2am1pm to 1-1-1, the second dose being pre-workout and i had 2 benefits. first, i did not get the heavy crash, second, i had a good stim pre-workout and my workouts went very well. keep this in mind with the dosing.
The problem could be the extra 200mgs of caffeine with 2 OEPs that is 400mgs of caffeine total?
are you serious!? if so that great!!day 14 on oep-down 10lbs, 10 down 10 to go.
no crash, no erection problems, no hunger.
great for energy and motivation, i haven't been this motivated on a cut since the days of ripped fuel w/ephedra.
very serious. bf% was 15-17% at 230, i am sure that is down now since i have lost 10lbs since then. my goal is 210 at 10% or under, i should be very close by the time my bottle of oep is done.are you serious!? if so that great!!
are you starting out heavy? whats your weight and do you know your %?
goes to show how everyone is different when it comes to these supplements, and to be sure to check out multiple experiences to get a good review.very serious. bf% was 15-17% at 230, i am sure that is down now since i have lost 10lbs since then. my goal is 210 at 10% or under, i should be very close by the time my bottle of oep is done.
oep works great for me, i love the stuff.
Yah there is a few different herbs in it and so your going to see some different reactions here and there.. I use it very strategically, I am not looking for rapid weight loss so I use it with an anabolic stack (currently swole), this way I can maintain/gain mass during my longer prep. Still though I have lost about 6 lbs in 4 weeks but I do believe my lean mass as increased so these are phenomenal results.goes to show how everyone is different when it comes to these supplements, and to be sure to check out multiple experiences to get a good review.
ill be doing oep again in summer sometime, when im more active i have more than a bottle left so you will see me back with another log, part 2.
ill do it without the forslean as well just to see what happens.
ill start with my open bottle which is a 10 day supply, and if im still starving again ill just sell the second new bottle i have.
Man that's just nuts!!i agree that everyone responds differently, but this is best fatburner i have ever used. down 12 after todays workout-fantastic! i love this stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it wasn't a fluke, was still down 12lbs at todays weigh in. oep is really doing it's job!Man that's just nuts!!
have you ever used slim-xtreme? i hope not, but have you? loli agree that everyone responds differently, but this is best fatburner i have ever used. down 12 after todays workout-fantastic! i love this stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the original sx was much better than slim x. i have used both and neither did anything for my appetite. i didn't get the crazy energy from them that everyone else seems to have gotten either-they were good but not as good as ripped fuel w/ephedra. oep is better for fat loss, in my honest opinion.:dunno:have you ever used slim-xtreme? i hope not, but have you? lol
slim-xtreme was the best non-ephedra i ever used ime. but nothing ever matched ephedra to me, old school xenadrine is king!
very interesting,the original sx was much better than slim x. i have used both and neither did anything for my appetite. i didn't get the crazy energy from them that everyone else seems to have gotten either-they were good but not as good as ripped fuel w/ephedra. oep is better for fat loss, in my honest opinion.:dunno:
i was pretty lean back then, i ate everything and lots of it and the ripped fuel kept me lean-but mostly the ripped fuel was great for energy. so i can't really compare the two as far as cutting goes, but i will say that oep is by far the best of what's available now.very interesting,
now are you getting better results from oep then ripped fuel (original)?
Slim X is not in OEP's category especially for those who know what their doing. Yah it was good for those who depend on appetite suppression but that was it's only mode of operation. OEP actually burns fat, uncouples and converts. There is a lot more going on here than appetite suppression. This is a much more optimal situation for the established athlete. I am in a contest prep and I use anabolic herbs to help me keep some of my appetite during my cut. Appetite tells you something about what's going on with your body too much suppression is not a good thing. A small amount of suppression isn't necessarily a bad thing if your very spot on with your diet. Way too many people are too dependent on appetite suppression for their fat loss and it's costing them muscle and fat loss over the long haul. I have seem pictures of 60 lb anorexics with fat on them. Fat loss can be impeded if you don't eat enough.have you ever used slim-xtreme? i hope not, but have you? lol
slim-xtreme was the best non-ephedra i ever used ime. but nothing ever matched ephedra to me, old school xenadrine is king!
im not trying to debate you here or anything, i like your posts and am learning from you.Slim X is not in OEP's category especially for those who know what their doing. Yah it was good for those who depend on appetite suppression but that was it's only mode of operation. OEP actually burns fat, uncouples and converts. There is a lot more going on here than appetite suppression. This is a much more optimal situation for the established athlete. I am in a contest prep and I use anabolic herbs to help me keep some of my appetite during my cut. Appetite tells you something about what's going on with your body too much suppression is not a good thing. A small amount of suppression isn't necessarily a bad thing if your very spot on with your diet. Way too many people are too dependent on appetite suppression for their fat loss and it's costing them muscle and fat loss over the long haul. I have seem pictures of 60 lb anorexics with fat on them. Fat loss can be impeded if you don't eat enough.
Yeah... Jack3d does this to me horribly because of the 1,3. Alpha yohimbine counteracted it thoYeah, it's the 1,3 Dimethylamylamine that causes it.
Slim extreme relied almost solely on appetite suppression is what I'm trying to say. The hunger you got on OEP was because of the product caused you to burn more calories thus making it necessary to eat more.im not trying to debate you here or anything, i like your posts and am learning from you.
with that said, i can tell you i ate the same on slim xtreme. no changes in diet although i felt appettite suppression, i ate the same amount of food. and with 2 cycles i lost 6-7 pounds each time in a months time without any changes to my diet. ive been eating about the same the past 2 years, which is a strict low carb diet (no loading, i hate that)without any increases in my workouts. maintained all strength.
i would gain about 2 back after a week the cycle was over however, maybe it was water and slim x had a diuretic effect, but i still maintained 4-5 pounds in weight loss and i was definitly leaner.
wouldnt you call that a thermogenic effect i got from slim xtreme?
just so you know more about me,
i have lost 46 pounds in under 2 years by the way, with 15.5" arm down to 15.2" during that time frame. i did just gain 7.5 pounds this last 2 weeks on my first h-drol cycle and have increased the amount im eating for the cycle. wow h-drol is really impressive.
yes i understand that part, about why OEP makes me hungrier and it makes sense. i will retry and re-log OEP in the summer when i ready as i have more than 1 bottles worth, and ill be more active that time and give it a VERY fair shot again.Slim extreme relied almost solely on appetite suppression is what I'm trying to say. The hunger you got on OEP was because of the product caused you to burn more calories thus making it necessary to eat more.
It's just that you keep saying OEP makes you hungrier but that is not necessarily a bad thing.
Yah the stim could actually cause some fat burning as well, I'll concede that.yes i understand that part, about why OEP makes me hungrier and it makes sense. i will retry and re-log OEP in the summer when i ready as i have more than 1 bottles worth, and ill be more active that time and give it a VERY fair shot again.
im talking about a statement you made about slim xtreme. you said that slim xtreme only produces appetite suppression, when im trying to state in my experience i had good weight loss success with no changes in diet/training or eating less. are you still denying it has thermogenic benifits? or why did i lose good weight off of it? i would never do slim xtreme again by the way dont worry, lol
Yeah I did when I was on it. I have a machine where I work, and test myself every day before I start work. I average from 125-139 and I'm always less than 80 so I never pay attention.Anybody track their bp on oep? I would be very interested in hearing about it.
I went to the doctor Thursday for an ear infection and it was the three week mark for me on OEP. They checked my blood pressure and said it was great, that it was actually below normal (114 over 70-something).Anybody track their bp on oep? I would be very interested in hearing about it.
hahaha, aren'y you the lucky one.I got these weird striations in my shoulders and veins are popping everywhere! Plus some weird lumps on my stomach, there are 3 on each side!
Yes sir! We been hearing that a lot!day 14 on oep-down 10lbs, 10 down 10 to go.
no crash, no erection problems, no hunger.
great for energy and motivation, i haven't been this motivated on a cut since the days of ripped fuel w/ephedra.
ha ha took be awhile to get it!I got these weird striations in my shoulders and veins are popping everywhere! Plus some weird lumps on my stomach, there are 3 on each side!
See, I do not have this effect from Geranium. I can dose year-round (which I do not recommend!) and still feel like my first dose.As with all Geranium, you build a tolerance to the stim affect after a few days.
My resistance grows slowly but I only use Jacked once a week now. As far as OEP, I am very surprised how strong it still feels into the 7th week. Something else at play as far as stim goes...See, I do not have this effect from Geranium. I can dose year-round (which I do not recommend!) and still feel like my first dose.
Even after 2-3 OEP cycles, 2-3 Jack3d cycles... I am still amped to the moon.
Try adding in some Recreate for the hunger thing. If you get some appetite control I think your going to burn a fug of a lot of fat cuz I think OEP is turning you into an inferno. This means that you may have to increase your calories though to prevent muscle loss. That's why it's so important to watch your diet you never know when a supp like this is going to do to your metabolism. That's the reason you've become so hungry, you metabolism has just sped up... now you have to figure out how much...i hadnt taken geranium in a month (last being from a 21 day oep cycle,) and took and oep 2 days ago and the **** hit me real good. increased my hunger again which i consider a terrible side effect, (not even my hdrol cycle made me this hungry) but the stim effect from the geranium the last couple of days has been much lovelier than the final 2 weeks of my previous oep cycle.
i def feel a build in tolerance to geranium, that is why i contemplate a 5on2off regimen.
if anyone feels like jumping on this thread below feel free
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/usp-labs/146032-anyone-contemplate-5on2.html#post2307971