OEP sides - is there any?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    very interesting,

    now are you getting better results from oep then ripped fuel (original)?
    i was pretty lean back then, i ate everything and lots of it and the ripped fuel kept me lean-but mostly the ripped fuel was great for energy. so i can't really compare the two as far as cutting goes, but i will say that oep is by far the best of what's available now.
    so i will stand by what i said earlier-oep is best fatburner!
    12 pounds lost in 2 weeks-who can argue with that-results speak for themselves.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    have you ever used slim-xtreme? i hope not, but have you? lol

    slim-xtreme was the best non-ephedra i ever used ime. but nothing ever matched ephedra to me, old school xenadrine is king!
    Slim X is not in OEP's category especially for those who know what their doing. Yah it was good for those who depend on appetite suppression but that was it's only mode of operation. OEP actually burns fat, uncouples and converts. There is a lot more going on here than appetite suppression. This is a much more optimal situation for the established athlete. I am in a contest prep and I use anabolic herbs to help me keep some of my appetite during my cut. Appetite tells you something about what's going on with your body too much suppression is not a good thing. A small amount of suppression isn't necessarily a bad thing if your very spot on with your diet. Way too many people are too dependent on appetite suppression for their fat loss and it's costing them muscle and fat loss over the long haul. I have seem pictures of 60 lb anorexics with fat on them. Fat loss can be impeded if you don't eat enough.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Slim X is not in OEP's category especially for those who know what their doing. Yah it was good for those who depend on appetite suppression but that was it's only mode of operation. OEP actually burns fat, uncouples and converts. There is a lot more going on here than appetite suppression. This is a much more optimal situation for the established athlete. I am in a contest prep and I use anabolic herbs to help me keep some of my appetite during my cut. Appetite tells you something about what's going on with your body too much suppression is not a good thing. A small amount of suppression isn't necessarily a bad thing if your very spot on with your diet. Way too many people are too dependent on appetite suppression for their fat loss and it's costing them muscle and fat loss over the long haul. I have seem pictures of 60 lb anorexics with fat on them. Fat loss can be impeded if you don't eat enough.
    im not trying to debate you here or anything, i like your posts and am learning from you.

    with that said, i can tell you i ate the same on slim xtreme. no changes in diet although i felt appettite suppression, i ate the same amount of food. and with 2 cycles i lost 6-7 pounds each time in a months time without any changes to my diet. ive been eating about the same the past 2 years, which is a strict low carb diet (no loading, i hate that)without any increases in my workouts. maintained all strength.

    i would gain about 2 back after a week the cycle was over however, maybe it was water and slim x had a diuretic effect, but i still maintained 4-5 pounds in weight loss and i was definitly leaner.

    wouldnt you call that a thermogenic effect i got from slim xtreme?

    just so you know more about me,
    i have lost 46 pounds in under 2 years by the way, with 15.5" arm down to 15.2" during that time frame. i did just gain 7.5 pounds this last 2 weeks on my first h-drol cycle and have increased the amount im eating for the cycle. wow h-drol is really impressive.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by danieltx13 View Post
    Yeah, it's the 1,3 Dimethylamylamine that causes it.
    Yeah... Jack3d does this to me horribly because of the 1,3. Alpha yohimbine counteracted it tho

  5. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    im not trying to debate you here or anything, i like your posts and am learning from you.

    with that said, i can tell you i ate the same on slim xtreme. no changes in diet although i felt appettite suppression, i ate the same amount of food. and with 2 cycles i lost 6-7 pounds each time in a months time without any changes to my diet. ive been eating about the same the past 2 years, which is a strict low carb diet (no loading, i hate that)without any increases in my workouts. maintained all strength.

    i would gain about 2 back after a week the cycle was over however, maybe it was water and slim x had a diuretic effect, but i still maintained 4-5 pounds in weight loss and i was definitly leaner.

    wouldnt you call that a thermogenic effect i got from slim xtreme?

    just so you know more about me,
    i have lost 46 pounds in under 2 years by the way, with 15.5" arm down to 15.2" during that time frame. i did just gain 7.5 pounds this last 2 weeks on my first h-drol cycle and have increased the amount im eating for the cycle. wow h-drol is really impressive.
    Slim extreme relied almost solely on appetite suppression is what I'm trying to say. The hunger you got on OEP was because of the product caused you to burn more calories thus making it necessary to eat more.

    It's just that you keep saying OEP makes you hungrier but that is not necessarily a bad thing.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Slim extreme relied almost solely on appetite suppression is what I'm trying to say. The hunger you got on OEP was because of the product caused you to burn more calories thus making it necessary to eat more.

    It's just that you keep saying OEP makes you hungrier but that is not necessarily a bad thing.
    yes i understand that part, about why OEP makes me hungrier and it makes sense. i will retry and re-log OEP in the summer when i ready as i have more than 1 bottles worth, and ill be more active that time and give it a VERY fair shot again.

    im talking about a statement you made about slim xtreme. you said that slim xtreme only produces appetite suppression, when im trying to state in my experience i had good weight loss success with no changes in diet/training or eating less. are you still denying it has thermogenic benifits? or why did i lose good weight off of it? i would never do slim xtreme again by the way dont worry, lol
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    yes i understand that part, about why OEP makes me hungrier and it makes sense. i will retry and re-log OEP in the summer when i ready as i have more than 1 bottles worth, and ill be more active that time and give it a VERY fair shot again.

    im talking about a statement you made about slim xtreme. you said that slim xtreme only produces appetite suppression, when im trying to state in my experience i had good weight loss success with no changes in diet/training or eating less. are you still denying it has thermogenic benifits? or why did i lose good weight off of it? i would never do slim xtreme again by the way dont worry, lol
    Yah the stim could actually cause some fat burning as well, I'll concede that.
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  8. Now I really want to try this before summer hits!

  9. Anybody track their bp on oep? I would be very interested in hearing about it.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by RoadBlocK View Post
    Anybody track their bp on oep? I would be very interested in hearing about it.
    Yeah I did when I was on it. I have a machine where I work, and test myself every day before I start work. I average from 125-139 and I'm always less than 80 so I never pay attention.

    when I was on oep I averaged between 130-145 at the highest, still I maintained less than 80... however half way through my oep run I started taking prime, and lipo-pm as well.

    personally it raised my bp less than eca, and halovar. but everyone is different.

    hope that helps.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by RoadBlocK View Post
    Anybody track their bp on oep? I would be very interested in hearing about it.
    I went to the doctor Thursday for an ear infection and it was the three week mark for me on OEP. They checked my blood pressure and said it was great, that it was actually below normal (114 over 70-something).

  12. if I'm not mistaken, the company had beta-testers monitor BP levels before OEP was brought to market, and results were incredible across the board insofar as it showed negligible effects on raising BP..when you think about it, that is truly pretty remarkable in such a potent product.

  13. i am sure that after my cut is over and i have lost my 20lbs that my bp will be improved, but it's good to know that oep won't raise it very high while on it.
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  14. I got these weird striations in my shoulders and veins are popping everywhere! Plus some weird lumps on my stomach, there are 3 on each side!
































  15. Quote Originally Posted by eatingisfun View Post
    I got these weird striations in my shoulders and veins are popping everywhere! Plus some weird lumps on my stomach, there are 3 on each side!































    hahaha, aren'y you the lucky one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    day 14 on oep-down 10lbs, 10 down 10 to go.
    no crash, no erection problems, no hunger.
    great for energy and motivation, i haven't been this motivated on a cut since the days of ripped fuel w/ephedra.
    Yes sir! We been hearing that a lot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatingisfun View Post
    I got these weird striations in my shoulders and veins are popping everywhere! Plus some weird lumps on my stomach, there are 3 on each side!































    ha ha took be awhile to get it!

  18. So far only side effect for me is a significantly reduced ability to hold ejacuation during intercourse.

  19. I did experience some indigestion the first few times, even though I took it on an empty stomach. I believe it has improved, although I use it irregularly. As with all Geranium, you build a tolerance to the stim affect after a few days. Still works great for appetite control for >6 hours after dose. Too bad that can't squeeze some of their schizandrol a in there.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Pirate! View Post
    As with all Geranium, you build a tolerance to the stim affect after a few days.
    See, I do not have this effect from Geranium. I can dose year-round (which I do not recommend!) and still feel like my first dose.

    Even after 2-3 OEP cycles, 2-3 Jack3d cycles... I am still amped to the moon.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by borobulker View Post
    See, I do not have this effect from Geranium. I can dose year-round (which I do not recommend!) and still feel like my first dose.

    Even after 2-3 OEP cycles, 2-3 Jack3d cycles... I am still amped to the moon.
    My resistance grows slowly but I only use Jacked once a week now. As far as OEP, I am very surprised how strong it still feels into the 7th week. Something else at play as far as stim goes...
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  22. i hadnt taken geranium in a month (last being from a 21 day oep cycle,) and took and oep 2 days ago and the **** hit me real good. increased my hunger again which i consider a terrible side effect, (not even my hdrol cycle made me this hungry) but the stim effect from the geranium the last couple of days has been much lovelier than the final 2 weeks of my previous oep cycle.

    i def feel a build in tolerance to geranium, that is why i contemplate a 5on2off regimen.

    if anyone feels like jumping on this thread below feel free
    Anyone contemplate a 5on2 off regimin for OEP?
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    i hadnt taken geranium in a month (last being from a 21 day oep cycle,) and took and oep 2 days ago and the **** hit me real good. increased my hunger again which i consider a terrible side effect, (not even my hdrol cycle made me this hungry) but the stim effect from the geranium the last couple of days has been much lovelier than the final 2 weeks of my previous oep cycle.

    i def feel a build in tolerance to geranium, that is why i contemplate a 5on2off regimen.

    if anyone feels like jumping on this thread below feel free
    Anyone contemplate a 5on2 off regimin for OEP?
    Try adding in some Recreate for the hunger thing. If you get some appetite control I think your going to burn a fug of a lot of fat cuz I think OEP is turning you into an inferno. This means that you may have to increase your calories though to prevent muscle loss. That's why it's so important to watch your diet you never know when a supp like this is going to do to your metabolism. That's the reason you've become so hungry, you metabolism has just sped up... now you have to figure out how much...
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  24. OEP+RC, FTW!

  25. i did originally stack it with Forslean with my original 3 week cycle,

    i liked recreate, return customer here. my appetite was in check, and it helped my maintain a weight during a fatigued time in my training.

    just so you know im stacking OEP right now on the back 2 week end of my 6 week h-drol cycle so no worries about muscle loss right now, lol

    my waist got a little bigger during my h-drol cycle (.75"bigger,) so since i have a 40 day supply of oep still im giving oep a second chance and hoping for it to help me cut on a cycle that so far i gained a little fat the first 4 weeks. as long as ifeel ok, ill be finishing my 40 day supply well into my PCT.

    added OEP day 28 post #44 should you want to see what happens
    Kim Jung Il Virgin receptors gets the H-drol treatment on low carb diet!
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