Kleen's Down with O.E.P. Yeah you know me...

[MrKleen73]

First I would like to thank USP Labs for their continued generousity in allowing me to be a Sponsored Athlete. This is a 8 week cutting log highlighting both USP Labs O.E.P. and ReCreate their 2 tier attack for fat loss. OEP is a thermogenic / focus supplement like nothing on the market right now and ReCreate is the tried and true non stim fat burner that has been getting people ripped while limiting muscle loss for a while now.
Info on both products can be found here.
O.E.P
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Recreate
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Other supps used but not focused on in this log will be a natty test booster to halp maintain mass during the cut. As well as my basic staples like various aminos, glutamine, creatine, oils, joint supps, vitamins and such. However the focus of this log is going to be the Energy, Mood, Focus, Stamina, Fat Loss, Thermogenisis and of course body composition.

Diet will begin at maintenence which is a base of 2500 cals with about another 200 incidental cals coming from grapefruit, blueberries, greens and carbs from almonds. So In reality about 2700 cals to start. After 2 weeks of the diet there will be carb refeeds every Wed and Sat, but not until then to make sure the change over to fat as the main source of energy has taken place. Once I hit 8% I will start practicing peak week strategies again which may change the timing of my carb refeeds. My caloric levels will change as needed to keep fat loss optimal while maintaining if not building muscle mass.

The workout will be the first phase my own workout I have been putting together over the years that works best for me. Basically it is a full body workout done at quick pace with heavy weights in the 6-8 rep range going to form failure. Form failure is the last rep you can do in good form, no wiggling to get the rep. Almost all compound movements 1 exercise per body part and 1 warm up and 2 work sets second work set having 2 SSUF sets. Strip Set Until Failure. You take 1 minute rest between worksets and as fast as you can change between exercises. Basically you go to form failure on each one of the drops as well as the work sets. There is no rest between drops except however long it takes to remove the weight which should be added in a way to strip easily in mind. I will continue with this for 4-8 weeks depending on how my joints and tendons feel then take an active recovery week. After which I will go into phase 2 of my workout. Cardio wil be done for 45 minutes 3 days a week between my weight workouts.

Current composition, I am starting this at 206 and 10% Bf, I have been eating more carbs than usual lately so I am full of glycogen and water. I expect to initially drop some weight from water and glycogen which may be considered LBM due to cutting out carbs. So I am going into this with that expectation of a quick loss regarding scale weight and will weigh in both in depleted and carb loaded states so I have the ability to track how much I am able to fill up in preparing for peak week strategies. I may run some Reset AD during this stack to help my system reset so the stims are even more effective. This will be a monetarily based decision.

My weight workouts will only be mentioned here in passing regarding stamina throughout workouts and what not as these products will be providing the energy for them. Cardio will be documented a little more here as I expect these products to shine in that area. I will link up pics I took at the end of my last log as the before pic, I took them Wednesday of this past week so they are a pretty good representation of how I look right now.

Follow along and expect to see the Return of the Abs!!!!

 

[MrKleen73]

Stats Marker

Age 36
1-10-10 206 lbs @ 10% BF
Calipers read Chest 7mm, Abdomen 17mm, Thigh 7mm

 

[MrKleen73]

Before and After Pics here.

Here are some from last Wednesday, compostion has not changed much since then so this is a good representation of me now. Basically relaxed in arms over head abs just holding stomach in from hanging out but not flexing abs. Relaxed is totally relaxed.
Before 206 lbs 10%

Mid way Pics to follow in 2 weeks.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

In for another MrKleen fantastic log. Rip it up bro.

 

[snagency]

all right man..let's dial this thing in and get you stage ready. :cool2:

 

[borobulker]

I'm in... This is going to be sick... Chris can get leaner and meaner than just about anyone I know...

 

[MrKleen73]

In for another MrKleen fantastic log. Rip it up bro.

Thanks Man, this is the important stuff here. Getting the cut right is all about no dropping LBM but still cutting fat. I have a pretty good plan on the diet so I am excite to see what this combo brings to the table cut wise. I expect a lot. so far OEP is my favorite feeling stim and it is definitely thermogenic as all get out.

all right man..let's dial this thing in and get you stage ready. :cool2:

Thanks for coming in Snags, glad to have ya. Will be nice to hear some of your ideas on my progress and strategies. Between you and I we seem to come up with some nice tweaks to already solid plans. Your input is definitely welcome.

This is going to get exciting. Although I am very happy with the new muscle mass I have accumulated. I have honestly been craving the cut. Allowing myself to get this smooth has played havoc with me and taught me where MY priorities lie. I just have too many pockets of fat that take away from my look and lead me to look sloppy even at lower body fats. I work so hard for this that I am to the point I want it to reflect in how I look at all times. I will be sticking in the 6-7% range after the show. I honestly feel I can gain slowly at that body fat with the great supps at my disposal now. I am only expecting to gain maybe another 5 lbs LBM total before I choose not to try to get any bigger, so I am not in any hurry. I think that can be done in 1 year at a low bodyfat with current supps. Then I will change my mind and want to get bigger I am sure. LOL

 

[MrKleen73]

I'm in... This is going to be sick... Chris can get leaner and meaner than just about anyone I know...

Not sure how I missed you there Casey, yeah I plan on seeing if I can improve on last years condition. That will be hard to do. I did some math yesterday from my calculations last year I am currently holding a little more than 10 lbs more muscle than this point last year. I also had that diuretic nightmare on peak weak dropping 7 lbs of water from my muscle belly overnight. So I honestly think I may hit the stage more than 15 lbs heavier.

 

[oufinny]

Thanks for the heads up Chris, looking forward to this as I will be doing the same thing here soon!

 

[borobulker]

Not sure how I missed you there Casey, yeah I plan on seeing if I can improve on last years condition. That will be hard to do. I did some math yesterday from my calculations last year I am currently holding a little more than 10 lbs more muscle than this point last year. I also had that diuretic nightmare on peak weak dropping 7 lbs of water from my muscle belly overnight. So I honestly think I may hit the stage more than 15 lbs heavier.

Straight sick...

 

[DreamWeaver]

Yep Kleen you go on stage 2 weeks before me, I will be watching you like a hawk.. trying to find new ideas to steal...

I have a bottle of recreate and as much OEP as I will need to do increased dosing. I plan on 4 weeks of OEP 2 ed then 4 weeks 3 ed (every 5 hours), 4 weeks off with only 2 recreate ed then another 8 weeks OEP as needed not sure on dosing during that period.

 

[MrKleen73]

Day 2 OEP Bitch Slaps me!

So I bit off more than I could chew today. My workout program is very intense and conditioning intensive. As a matter of fact moreso than I remembered since going to a slower paced workout for a little bit. Well I also decided I was going to increase my OEP dose, I have been staggering 2 OEP in the morning and one about 12:30. Well this morning I thought what the heck I am gonna try the 2 OEP at one time. Well apparently that is going into what is called "The Xander Zone!" yes that is a xXx reference, and no I am not talking about porn. LOL Well anyway, the combination of me being out of condition and hitting this so hard, and the double dose of the OEP, well lets just say you ever run to many wind sprints and blow chunks, yeah it was a lot like that. I came back out and finished the workout but man that was intense. I will stick to one before and one after my morning workout and then one later in the day. I will take 2 ReCreate before weight workouts and 1 before fasted cardio, then one at 12:30 with the last OEP. Just to explain, the reason I want extra Recreate before the fasted weight workouts is to take advantage of the anti-catabolic effects it has on cortisol levels.

Oh yeah by the way even though I threw up I was sweating like nobody's business today, like I was 10 minutes deep in a sauna session.

 

[borobulker]

OEP is no joke my friend. I am the same way. At 270lbs, I dose 1 and 1...

 

[DreamWeaver]

Yah you can stagger it but 2 at once and hold on it's gonna be a rough ride.. I had a hard time focussing my sight when I did 2.

 

[MrKleen73]

Yeah the staggered dose is perfect, this was just too much.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Yeah the staggered dose is perfect, this was just too much.

Sounds like it is real potent stuff. I remember that feeling. In my high school days I was a member of the cross country team. On non meet days he would take us to a street that had one whopper of a hill. We had to sprint to a telephone pole then 1/2 speed to the next then sprint and on it goes. After about 1 hour of that it was on wow. I think the coach use to get off watching some of us having to duck into the woods to blow chunks. I believe the coach called this training "fart licks"

 

[MrKleen73]

Sounds like it is real potent stuff. I remember that feeling. In my high school days I was a member of the cross country team. On non meet days he would take us to a street that had one whopper of a hill. We had to sprint to a telephone pole then 1/2 speed to the next then sprint and on it goes. After about 1 hour of that it was on wow. I think the coach use to get off watching some of us having to duck into the woods to blow chunks. I believe the coach called this training "fart licks"

I bet you had something fart associated you thought he should lick too! I do those over at the bayou park here in Houston. Sometimes I run up the levi, jog or walk over 30-40 yards jog down then immediately sprint back up. Man it kills but condition is awesome when i do it once or twice a week.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

I bet you had something fart associated you thought he should lick too! I do those over at the bayou park here in Houston. Sometimes I run up the levi, jog or walk over 30-40 yards jog down then immediately sprint back up. Man it kills but condition is awesome when i do it once or twice a week.

Your right there I us to say WTF these gain but after I always felt awesome.

 

[danieltx13]

By what you guys are saying, I'm hoping I'm not a non-responder to OEP. I have no problem handling two OEP in the morning and another in the late afternoon, and at 199 I'm lighter than all of you, particularly DreamWeaver and borobulker. I'm one week in and haven't lost any weight with it - hopefully it picks up in the next three weeks.

 

[carpee]

i am in Kleen!

 

[oufinny]

By what you guys are saying, I'm hoping I'm not a non-responder to OEP. I have no problem handling two OEP in the morning and another in the late afternoon, and at 199 I'm lighter than all of you, particularly DreamWeaver and borobulker. I'm one week in and haven't lost any weight with it - hopefully it picks up in the next three weeks.

OEP did not start to kick in for me until week 2 and beyond; this could have been my diet being only at maintenance and my cardio being 2 a week but it still took some fat away (4-5 pounds to be exact, then gained at least half that back of the holidays, ahhh!!!!). I doubt you are a non-responder, everyone has a different stim tolerance and if you take a pwo each day and drink caffeine it is no surprise you don't feel a whole lot from it. Rest assured, it is working and will do so if you have your diet and exercise dialed in.

As a side not, I got more of a thermo feeling that I remember from Recreate than from OEP; actually OEP seemed to make me feel a little cold and my hands were always cold to the touch when I was on it. Why, no clue but the moral of the story, don't give up and keep at it, it gets better the longer you are on it.

 

[oufinny]

Sounds like it is real potent stuff. I remember that feeling. In my high school days I was a member of the cross country team. On non meet days he would take us to a street that had one whopper of a hill. We had to sprint to a telephone pole then 1/2 speed to the next then sprint and on it goes. After about 1 hour of that it was on wow. I think the coach use to get off watching some of us having to duck into the woods to blow chunks. I believe the coach called this training "fart licks"

We used to do some brutal swimming workouts during winter break (and many other times I care not to think about anymore) that were absolute torture. I could go into detail but 90% don't know much about it so I will save you the details but let me tell you that the gutter saw many a teammates vommit over the years. I will say that the all time worst was a line sprint drill we used to do in Water Polo when I played in college though, nothing was worse then being hungover on Friday and doing that to end a practice. I can't tell you how many times I needed to be helped out of the pool by our coach after that one. We didn't have a name for it though many of us affectionately referred to it simply as hell.

 

[snagency]

I doubt you are a non-responder, everyone has a different stim tolerance and if you take a pwo each day and drink caffeine it is no surprise you don't feel a whole lot from it. Rest assured, it is working and will do so if you have your diet and exercise dialed in.

boom, there it is. :box:

tolerance is a very individual thing. I can do 2 OEP at a time, no problem.
hell, I did 2 OEP+2 scoops Jack3d preWO last summer when I was beta-testing it (not recommending such fyi)..I happen to have a high tolerance for stims.
like you said tho - doesn't mean it's not working!

 

[MrKleen73]

Yes, and let's not forget the intensity of the workout I am doing, this isn't a walk in the park. It is a gassed out, sweating like a mad man, in your face everything you got left type of workout. I have taken OEP 2 at a time just not before a workout of this intensity. To just go to work or whatever 2 at a time was not too much for me. To do 2 at one dose with the intensity of the workout, it was too much. This is not the first time I have thrown up from this workout and wont be the last. The conditioning requred can slap you in the face after a break.

If you are that tolerant to stims and it bothers you, you should look into Reset AD, it does wonders from what I understand.

 

[oufinny]

That is why I have two bottle of Reset AD on the way (BOGO NP sale!) so I can take one before I start my next run of OEP and one after I finish.

 

[thebigt]

count me in. i won a bottle of oep in the bobo contest, anxious to see what it can do.

 

[MrKleen73]

Day 3, that's better...

I lowered my dose this morning, got up and took my aminos, 1 OEP and 1 ReCreate, 1 Yellow Gold to get some nutrient scavenging going on as well as getting the aminos shuttled into the muscles. I went to the treadmill and walked on an interval incline for 42 minutes, I burned 415 cals total. No Sauna or abs. The no sauna part was not an issue, the OEP was in full effect and I was sweating my back side off but this was much better than dosing to high like yesterday.

My gluteus medius and minimus were pulled a while back and I still feel the burn during prolonged inclines on the treadmill. By the end it had flaired a bit but not too bad. I will have to lower the incline and maybe jog next cardio session. That or do the elliptical for 20 minutes of HIIT followed by 25 minutes steady state cardio. Yeah that sounds good.

Breakfast was 1 carb smart yogurt P=12g, Carbs 3 net, Fat 1.5 grams,
mixed with 3/4 cup blueberries, 2 scoops Whey protein 5 grams fish oil
P=58g, F=12.5g, C=13g

2nd meal 2 whole eggs 4 egg whites, 4 oz chicken breast, pico, 3 fish oils, half grapefruit
P=54g F=15g C=16g

3rd meal
7oz Canned Salmon P=42g F=18g 7oz green beans, C=7g P=2 3/4 cup Half ox almonds P=3g, f=7g, c=2.5g
P=47g F=25g C=9.5

Current totals P=159g =636 cals, F= 42.5g = 382.5 cals, C=38.5 =154 cals
Current ratios P=54%, F=33%, C=13%
1172.5 cals so far today. Need to increase a bit.


will add other meals as eaten.

 

[MrKleen73]

Day 7 Updates, make up cardio day.

Today was supposed to have been a rest day but I took as rest day on Friday and had some cardio to make up. I did 45 minutes on the elliptical burned 523 calories. Did heavy weight on ab machine for 15,12 and 10 not sure the weight but was 2 plates from bottom of stack. Did 15 knee raises for lower abs. 3 sets of 30 crunches while trying to hold a vacuum. Not literally a vacuum, I wasn't laying the holding a Hoover. An abdominal vacuum.

On another note after a week of this cutting stack coupled with some intense training and 2 1/4 hours of cardio and lower carbs I have lost 4 lbs this week. As I said I know I will beging losing water and glycogen the first 2 weeks so the weight will slow down quickly, but next week is when the visible changes should be more prevalent.

Jan 10 2010: 206 lbs
Jan-16-2010: 202 lbs
Down 4 Lbs in a week.

 

[thebigt]

nice job, kleen. since starting oep, and increasing cardio to twice a day, i have lost 4lbs in 4 days. today was my first day of taking 2 at once upon rising 30 minutes before cardio-incredible focus/endurance/energy. i am very impressed with oep so far.

 

[FlexW99]

In late, here to soak it all up!

 

[MrKleen73]

nice job, kleen. since starting oep, and increasing cardio to twice a day, i have lost 4lbs in 4 days. today was my first day of taking 2 at once upon rising 30 minutes before cardio-incredible focus/endurance/energy. i am very impressed with oep so far.

Definitely, I love the energy from it. I can do two at once and cardio but not my lifting regiment.

In late, here to soak it all up!

I am glad you are here Sir.

 

[DreamWeaver]

nice job, kleen. since starting oep, and increasing cardio to twice a day, i have lost 4lbs in 4 days. today was my first day of taking 2 at once upon rising 30 minutes before cardio-incredible focus/endurance/energy. i am very impressed with oep so far.

Yah the stuff's the real deal. I am not losing as fast as you two but that's by design also. I lost about 5 in the first 12 days.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Nice on the 4lbs bro keep ripping it up.

 

[MrKleen73]

Thanks guys, remember I am also losing the intial water and glycogen weight, once that slows I will even out. Definitely not looking to drop 4 lbs a week for any period of time at all. As I said before this will also go to look like a loss of LBM due to loss in glyogen and water which are both a part of the total LBM. However we will not look at it as such being it is an expected occurance with this transition.

 

[DreamWeaver]

Thanks guys, remember I am also losing the intial water and glycogen weight, once that slows I will even out. Definitely not looking to drop 4 lbs a week for any period of time at all. As I said before this will also go to look like a loss of LBM due to loss in glyogen and water which are both a part of the total LBM. However we will not look at it as such being it is an expected occurance with this transition.

As I spend a lot of time in recomp I would not experience as much water loss in the first couple weeks, some but not too much. I will likely stay at around 2 lbs for the next few weeks. I am predicting another 3 this week however. I really feel it coming off.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

As I spend a lot of time in recomp I would not experience as much water loss in the first couple weeks, some but not too much. I will likely stay at around 2 lbs for the next few weeks. I am predicting another 3 this week however. I really feel it coming off.

Looking forward to some pics after you complete the process.

 

[MrKleen73]

Day 8 and 9

Yesterday was a cardio day and I did moderate intensity intervls for 45 min on elliptical 520 cals. I was sweating like mad from 2 OEP, I had one then an hour later hat the second one and did cardio about 15-30 inutes later. Wow was it good had energy all the way through. Watch Bagger Vance while I did it too.

Today was another full body workout powered by an OEP and 2 ReCreate, I am taking 2 Recreate only before my weight workouts to take advantage of the anticortisol properties of it. Otherwise it is 1 per dose with the OEP.

I am leaning up, losing 4 lbs that seems obvious that I would be, but knowing some is glycogen and water I know I am smaller too. I also didn't want to do body fat right after the LBM drop but it is a given that it is going to happen at first. So was not sure of compositional changes. Either way, Now I have seen the signs and can definitely say I am starting to lean out. I do so in the ab region right under my ribs, that part starts getting smaller first, doesn't protrude out from under my ribcage, is more flat there now. Shoulder vein is getting more noticeable, vein in biceps becoming more prominent and got a new branch visible of off it. Some of the fat has tightened under my chest but not much. However it looks just a tiny bit more square in relaxed postion. Skin is in that looser stage trying to recover with the sudden weight loss so stomach is smaller but looks softer on bottom now. Will go back and forth on that through the cut until I am around 5.5%.

So far I am very pleased with the cut. Yeah DW you wont have a drop like what I am going through until you cut carbs back a good bit more that is if you even do go low carb during your prep.

 

[DreamWeaver]

So far I am very pleased with the cut. Yeah DW you wont have a drop like what I am going through until you cut carbs back a good bit more that is if you even do go low carb during your prep.

Lower carb, my first adjustment will be to convert Saturday to a low cal/carb day where it's now a medium. I will do what's neccessary, I of course have my decarb at the end.

 

[MrKleen73]

Lower carb, my first adjustment will be to convert Saturday to a low cal/carb day where it's now a medium. I will do what's neccessary, I of course have my decarb at the end.

I think my early transition to low carb last year really helped with drying out and leaning up. Looks like you will be doing kind of what I will as of Saturday have a carb refeed every 18th meal and low carbs the rest of the time. I opeted not to refeed during the first 2 weeks to help the body shift over to fat as main energy source. I am very interested in seeing if there is much of a weight drop for you when you make the shift. I still estimate about 198-199 by the weekend before I level off.

 

[DreamWeaver]

I think my early transition to low carb last year really helped with drying out and leaning up. Looks like you will be doing kind of what I will as of Saturday have a carb refeed every 18th meal and low carbs the rest of the time. I opeted not to refeed during the first 2 weeks to help the body shift over to fat as main energy source. I am very interested in seeing if there is much of a weight drop for you when you make the shift. I still estimate about 198-199 by the weekend before I level off.

yah I won't have to make that adjustment for a bit yet. I will wait to see if things slow down a bit. Right now I am maybe a bit low if anythng.

 

[thebigt]

weighed in this morning -5lbs. oep is incredible!
can anyone explain why i don't respond to jacked, but oep gets me fired up?
cardio is almost euphoric on oep!

 

[DreamWeaver]

weighed in this morning -5lbs. oep is incredible!
can anyone explain why i don't respond to jacked, but oep gets me fired up?
cardio is almost euphoric on oep!

Maybe is the synergy with the nootropic elements, euphoria is strong with OEP, very enhanced from regular geranium products.

 

[MrKleen73]

Maybe is the synergy with the nootropic elements, euphoria is strong with OEP, very enhanced from regular geranium products.

I think I will second DW's thoughts on that. However not really sure... Still a little shocked that you dont get jacked from Jack3d. I still get more of a kick from Jack3d but it is a very different energy more of a go go go balls to the walls energy, not the mental clarity, motiviation, and focus I get from OEP. I have found 1 scoop Jack3d and one OEP to be very very nice!

 

[thebigt]

I think I will second DW's thoughts on that. However not really sure... Still a little shocked that you dont get jacked from Jack3d. I still get more of a kick from Jack3d but it is a very different energy more of a go go go balls to the walls energy, not the mental clarity, motiviation, and focus I get from OEP. I have found 1 scoop Jack3d and one OEP to be very very nice!

been using a scoop of rag ultra and 1 oep before lifting, but mostly concentrating on 2 a day cardio's while cutting. 2 oep's before cardio is...wonderful! damn, ive spent about $50 on new cd's and really liking cardio-gasp!

 

[MrKleen73]

been using a scoop of rag ultra and 1 oep before lifting, but mostly concentrating on 2 a day cardio's while cutting. 2 oep's before cardio is...wonderful! damn, ive spent about $50 on new cd's and really liking cardio-gasp!

Isn't it crazy how a good product can make even Cardio not too bad.

 

[thebigt]

Isn't it crazy how a good product can make even Cardio not too bad.

hell oep is worth the price just to get me to do cardio-let alone ENJOYING it, lol. i swear kleen, when i get a good sweat going it's damn near like drugs. something in oep really agrees with me.

 

[MrKleen73]

Yeah I love the stuff. Just makes me well euphoric i a way and then the thermo from it is insane even though it doesnt feel like it should it has me sweating like ephedrine did.

 

[thebigt]

Yeah I love the stuff. Just makes me well euphoric i a way and then the thermo from it is insane even though it doesnt feel like it should it has me sweating like ephedrine did.

good thing is i am not getting dry mouth and i can sleep at night. definitely a big plus.

 

[MrKleen73]

Yeah and regardless of how much I get going, how stimmed I am it is NEVER jittery. Even on 2 it is like a Super Train, smooth and fast as lightning. Doesn't have you feeling like a funny car so amped up you just sit there and shake when not running full force.

 

[thebigt]

Yeah and regardless of how much I get going, how stimmed I am it is NEVER jittery. Even on 2 it is like a Super Train, smooth and fast as lightning. Doesn't have you feeling like a funny car so amped up you just sit there and shake when not running full force.

hahaha, i like it!
btw- i went to gnc today because my buddy told me they had a bunch of stuff marked 75% off. i looked at this little bottle of hoodia drink and asked the guy if it worked at curbing appetite. he told me i should buy oep, said it was great-hahaha dude nearly fell down when i told him i got free jack3d and oep direct from manufacturer. i don't think he would have believed me if i didn't have an oep with me to show him. true story.