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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    True, I just want to know if it works better then Recreate
    For attacking visceral fat maybe but overall fat loss probably not.


  2. This is going to be very nice for my summer cut! Not to metnion it offers great anti-aging properties.
    doing my own thang!
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  3. I think I will try recreate first, then might give this a try after I hear some reviews
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  4. I can't wait to see this loaded up on NP!!!
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    I think I will try recreate first, then might give this a try after I hear some reviews
    from what I hear this is very limited, it might not be around long... I'm not saying you should go out and buy it... well, at least not before i get mine

  6. lol. Well I might just get Recreate and the vat attack when I see it's only $19.99 So this could be a race
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  7. How much weight loss could one see if stacked with leucine?

  8. I am already comming up with ideas.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    How much weight loss could one see if stacked with leucine?
    It would depend on ones diet, dj

  10. I am already low on bf to begin with.
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  11. Sweet!!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    How much weight loss could one see if stacked with leucine?
    There are quite a bit of variables at play here for anyone to do more than merely speculate. Leucine, in combination with other BCAAs/EAAs, will help conserve muscle mass, while VAT Attack will not only support the inhibition of muscle-tissue breakdown, but will also induce visceral (and non-visceral) fat loss, in addition to other benefits from cortisol management. The range of the resultant weight (fat) loss will depend on diet, exercise, other supplementation, genetics, physiological/metabolic state, and general lifestyle. A very precise response, I know, but anything else in terms of precise weight-loss numbers would be undue speculation.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    What would be a good stack with this? How do we dose this? Do we take this in the morning with food with out food etc?
    VAT Attack can be stacked with virtually any fat-loss product. Pre-workout and general-health products are also great stacking options.
    I would personally dose it on an empty stomach. In terms of timing, for cortisol support, early mornings and pre-bed would be great, as cortisol levels tend to be higher during those times. For general fat-loss purposes, it can be taken any time of the day. These are rough guides.
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  14. Can I stack it with my lecithin, phosphatidylcholine, phosphotidylserine at night since I can't find bulk alpha GPC for good prices any more. I take 6grams at night. Each capsule
    contains linoleic acid, choline.
    Phosphorus 60 mg

  15. Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    Can I stack it with my lecithin, phosphatidylcholine, phosphotidylserine at night since I can't find bulk alpha GPC for good prices any more....
    Yes, you could. You might want to adjust doses, though, to take into account that phosphatidylserine also regulates cortisol.
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  16. Nice. Perfect timing too!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Yes, you could. You might want to adjust doses, though, to take into account that phosphatidylserine also regulates cortisol.
    I for sure want to get it. I clocked in today at 8% bf. Up 1.5% from my last log I did. I could always half dose my lecithin tabs from 12 to like 6 in the morning and 6 at night. That would cut it in half.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by CoreDoug View Post
    Nice. Perfect timing too!
    As long as the FDA doesn't develop sticky fingers

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Steveoph View Post
    As long as the FDA doesn't develop sticky fingers
    Damn the FDA!!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by dmillz224 View Post
    Damn the FDA!!
    And their stinky fingers...

  21. When can we expect VAT Attack to be in? Sorry if this has already been answered, but I want to get in an order of bulk Super Cissus and 1-Carboxy as well, hopefully all three can be available whenever VAT Attack gets in.

    So just to reiterate lol, when can we expect VAT Attack? haha what a name.

    Oh btw, just in case we do expect VAT Attack to be available again in the future, does it need to be cycled? I'm guessing since its an herbal that not much time would be needed, but then again almost everything should be cycled.

  22. What about VAT attack and an eca stack?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Coffee extract is known to support lipid and glucose metabolism via inhibition of glucose-6-phosphate activity, and consequently blocking 11▀ hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 1 (11▀HSD1) action. As is well known, the inhibition 11▀HSD1 activity (conversion of the weak glucocorticoid, cortisone, into the much more potent glucocorticoid, cortisol) is important in the management of metabolic dysfunctions and inflammatory conditions such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and obesity.
    Cortisol, a catabolic hormone released in the adrenal cortex, is the main glucocorticoid form in humans. Elevated cortisol levels induce breakdown of muscle tissue. Its secretion is usually triggered by stress, both physical and psychological. Essentially, cortisol exerts a metabolic action by elevating glucose levels during exercise, for instance, via inducing protein (amino acid) and lipid mobilisation in adipocytes and skeletal muscle cells. Beyond this, cortisol stimulates hepatic production of enzymes that mediate gluconeogenic, glycogenetic, and related pathways. This leads to conversion of amino acids and glycerol into glucose and glycogen. In this instance, cortisol acts much like insulin as a non-discriminatory storage hormone. Clearly, the metabolic action of cortisol ultimately leads to adipose-cell accumulation, especially of the visceral-adipose-tissue type.
    So, not only would cortisol induce fat accumulation, it would also initiate and sustain the systematic breakdown of muscle tissue. Enter coffee extract. By inhibiting 11▀HSD1 activity, this agent down-regulates the conversion of cortisone to metabolically active cortisol, leading to a reduction of skeletal-muscle and adipose-tissue glucocorticoid levels. This supports effective protein synthesis and shunts fat accumulation. Furthermore, considering the existence of a positive relationship between high levels of circulating cortisol and insulin insensitivity, reductions in cortisol levels induce improvements in cellular insulin sensitivity with benefits for blood-glucose optimization, diabetic states, and fat loss.
    So, coffee extract is a simple-but-potent compound that has a myriad of benefits including supporting the reduction in cellular visceral fat content and body weight via 11▀HSD1 inhibition; inducing favourable changes in lipid levels, thus providing considerable cardiovascular support; improving insulin sensitivity, thus providing diabetic-amelioration support; preservation of muscle mass via its anti-catabolic action induced through cortisol down-regulation; supporting the management of obese states; and so on.
    Whether you are dieting, whether you want to preserve muscle mass, or you simply wish to reduce cortisol levels to reap the associated string of benefits, whether you wish to enrich your current fat-loss stack, or whether you are in PCT (there appears to be a significant associative negative relationship between testosterone and cortisol), coffee extract is one non-hormonal-but-potent agent that can help you reach your goals smarter.

    Steveoph would say getting coffee extract or VAT Attack constitutes a Strategicmove!
    Hey strategicmove, like you said their seems to be a strong correlation between suppressed cortisol and raised testosterone. Can you go into more detail about this? In that regard, would this extract be similar/comparable to PP's EndoAmp?

  24. inhibition of cortisol great for muscle and fat reduction.non-hormonal then don't have to do pct.

  25. A good read on how coffee inhibits Beta-HSD 1 is this one .
    Abstract

    Recent epidemiological studies demonstrated a beneficial effect of coffee consumption for the prevention of type 2 diabetes, however, the underlying mechanisms remained unknown. We demonstrate that coffee extract, corresponding to an Italian Espresso, inhibits recombinant and endogenous 11β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 1 (11β-HSD1) activity. The inhibitory component is heat-stable with considerable polarity. Coffee extract blocked 11β-HSD1-dependent cortisol formation, prevented the subsequent nuclear translocation of the glucocorticoid receptor and abolished glucocorticoid-induced expression of the key gluconeogenic enzyme phosphoenolpyruvate carboxykinase. We suggest that at least part of the anti-diabetic effects of coffee consumption is due to inhibition of 11β-HSD1-dependent glucocorticoid reactivation.
    Also this one.
    Abstract

    Elevated glucocorticoids are a key risk factor for metabolic diseases, and the glucocorticoid-activating enzyme 11β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase 1 (11β-HSD1) represents a promising therapeutic target. We measured the potential of six traditional antidiabetic medicinal plants extracts to inhibit 11β-HSD1 activity and glucocorticoid receptor (GR) activation in transfected HEK-293 cells. Leave extracts of Eriobotrya japonica preferentially inhibited 11β-HSD1 over 11β-HSD2. Extracts of roasted but not native coffee beans preferentially inhibited 11β-HSD1 over 11β-HSD2, emphasizing the importance of sample preparation. Thus, natural compounds inhibiting 11β-HSD1 may contribute to the antidiabetic effect of the investigated plant extracts.
    More relevant papers are abound.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by jazzman21 View Post
    Hey strategicmove, like you said their seems to be a strong correlation between suppressed cortisol and raised testosterone. Can you go into more detail about this? In that regard, would this extract be similar/comparable to PP's EndoAmp?
    The relationship between low cortisol and high testosterone appears to be of an associative, rather than a strictly causative, nature. Accordingly, the focus is on improving (raising) the testosterone:cortisol ratio. Clearly, this can be done by either raising testosterone levels or reducing cortisol synthesis.

    PP's EndoAmp Max is an e****lent product for cortisol management. VAT Attack will support regulation of cortisol levels and help induce VAT fat loss.
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  27. sweet this will be an awesome product to get your hands on! or so it sounds.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by USPLabs View Post
    Very exciting!

    It's an ingredient in Recreate and the powder is in the air, lands at the airport Monday and should be released from customs a couple days following that and directly shipped over to NP for an exclusive sale...

    Recreate is a tremendously effective fat burner but I've been playing with 2 grams a day extra of the CB extract with the SixPack stack plu PRIME and the leaning effect is faster and the midsection feels super tight.

    With whats in recreate, I built up to using 3.5 grams a day.

    I've also added Tumeric and Green tea to the mix..
    haha! I was on the money! ReCreate ingredient! Nice. Nice!

  29. i have a couple of concerns,

    stressed adrenals, anyone who has been on stims for a long time would probably stress them even more causing the thyroid to get stressed aswell.

    also what are the chances of having a rebound effect once the prodcut is stopped? whats the maximum period recommended for usage? are we recommending 1 dose mid day for max effect or spread out?

    even selective inhibitors will have some effect on the body's stress responce, maybe even raising level of latent anxiety. basically once you stop you may find yourself super sensetive to stressfull events etc, leading to anxiety and other problems.

    maybe this product can be utilised topically aswell? or is it a plant extract?

  30. Since no one has asked this yet, what does it taste like? Is it worse or better than bulk cissus? That stuff makes me want to puke every time.
  

  
 

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