Hi Guys,

I have a few questions:

- as the title says, can I take Recreate with meals? or should I take it on empty stomach? and can I take it 30-60 mins after meal?
- I plan to spread 3 caps of recreate evenly thoroughout the day (6 am, 12 pm, 5-6 pm) is this OK? the direction says to take 2 caps in the morning and 1 cap in the afternoon.
- For Anabolic Pump's carbs sources, can I use muesli / quick cooking oats instead of regular oatmeal (I know it's dumb questions)

thanks!

Originally Posted by ninociamik

Hi Guys,

I have a few questions:

- as the title says, can I take Recreate with meals? or should I take it on empty stomach? and can I take it 30-60 mins after meal?
- I plan to spread 3 caps of recreate evenly thoroughout the day (6 am, 12 pm, 5-6 pm) is this OK? the direction says to take 2 caps in the morning and 1 cap in the afternoon.
- For Anabolic Pump's carbs sources, can I use muesli / quick cooking oats instead of regular oatmeal (I know it's dumb questions)

thanks!

#1. It is preferable if you take any weight loss supplement on an empty stomach. One of the prime benefits of a weight loss supplement are the appetite suppressing element, and I believe Recreate has nutrient partitioning benefits, which is something you want to fully take advantage of by taking it 20-30 min pre-meal.

#1b. Generally speaking, the environment of an empty stomach is 3 hours post meal.

#2. The dosing recommendation is a recommended guide line. Asses your tolerance to the supplement and then you can fine tune your desired dosing. I take 4 a day, 2 first thing in the morning (8:00am), and again around 3pm. Although, I have taken 6 a day before, but try the recommended dose first and add your 1 extra cap as you see fit upon experience.

#3. Yes. The type of carbs you use has more to do with your personal goals, in terms of fast and slow digesting carbs. For the most part, oats are oats, apart from some intricacies we don't need to discuss, oats are slow digesting carbs across the board. So in short, yes.

Good luck, Recreate and AP make a killer combo

Originally Posted by VolcomX311

#1. It is preferable if you take any weight loss supplement on an empty stomach. One of the prime benefits of a weight loss supplement are the appetite suppressing element, and I believe Recreate has nutrient partitioning benefits, which is something you want to fully take advantage of by taking it 20-30 min pre-meal.

#1b. Generally speaking, the environment of an empty stomach is 3 hours post meal.

#2. The dosing recommendation is a recommended guide line. Asses your tolerance to the supplement and then you can fine tune your desired dosing. I take 4 a day, 2 first thing in the morning (8:00am), and again around 3pm. Although, I have taken 6 a day before, but try the recommended dose first and add your 1 extra cap as you see fit upon experience.

#3. Yes. The type of carbs you use has more to do with your personal goals, in terms of fast and slow digesting carbs. For the most part, oats are oats, apart from some intricacies we don't need to discuss, oats are slow digesting carbs across the board. So in short, yes.

Good luck, Recreate and AP make a killer combo

Thanks Volcom, the reason I ask about muesli / quick oats is because it's difficult to find steel cut / rolled oats. But I guess you're right, oats are oats, unless the sugary kind.

thanks again for the useful info!

Originally Posted by ninociamik

Thanks Volcom, the reason I ask about muesli / quick oats is because it's difficult to find steel cut / rolled oats. But I guess you're right, oats are oats, unless the sugary kind.

thanks again for the useful info!

My pleasure

Originally Posted by ninociamik

Thanks Volcom, the reason I ask about muesli / quick oats is because it's difficult to find steel cut / rolled oats. But I guess you're right, oats are oats, unless the sugary kind.

thanks again for the useful info!

Volcom nailed it...

Best of luck to you and keep us updated on your progess, diet, etc...

I agree with the answer posted, but allow me to add:

-never after meals, always before, you can vary the time frame, and see what is most effective for you. I still found positive affects taking it as little as 5-10 minutes before a few meals.

-you can really play with the timing on recreate and still see the benefits, but for me personally, 6pm would be a little bit late at night for me to take it, although the stim effect is negligible to non-existent, when compared to other stim/diet pills, I prefer not to take anything that may in any way affect the normal pattern of getting tired and being able to sleep at night.

-again, this has answer has been nailed, but ap works great with all kinds of carb sources.

And finally, once again, I must agree, that AP and recreate really does make a fantastic combo.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by RoadBlocK

I agree with the answer posted, but allow me to add:

-never after meals, always before, you can vary the time frame, and see what is most effective for you. I still found positive affects taking it as little as 5-10 minutes before a few meals.

-you can really play with the timing on recreate and still see the benefits, but for me personally, 6pm would be a little bit late at night for me to take it, although the stim effect is negligible to non-existent, when compared to other stim/diet pills, I prefer not to take anything that may in any way affect the normal pattern of getting tired and being able to sleep at night.

-again, this has answer has been nailed, but ap works great with all kinds of carb sources.

And finally, once again, I must agree, that AP and recreate really does make a fantastic combo.

Good luck.

Hi Everybody,

thanks for the info. I will do as you guys said. Regarding taking stims 6 pm : yeah, I will re-adjust it into 5-5:30. However, I find myself not having difficulty sleeping even if I take stimulants late....it's weird. I usually workout around 7-7:30 pm, so that's why I need to take recreate around evening, to get me through my workout.

I guess I will take one caps recreate right after I get up of bed, one around noon, and one around 4-5 pm...will this work?

Yes, AP and recreate definitely work. I think I make progress (getting leaner, etc) it's slow, but steady progress.

Sometimes I wonder how people can lost so much bodyfat % in weeks ( it took me months to lose little bodyfat ) LOL

Originally Posted by ninociamik

Sometimes I wonder how people can lost so much bodyfat % in weeks ( it took me months to lose little bodyfat ) LOL

If you need us to look over your diet and/or training, post it up.

Best of luck achieving your goals!

Originally Posted by borobulker

If you need us to look over your diet and/or training, post it up.

Best of luck achieving your goals!

Hi Boro,

Right now I'm doing carb cycling because it give me the best result compared to conventional diet.

I'm pretty strict with my diet. my cycle consist of no-carb (45p, 15c, 40f), low-carb (45p, 30c, 25f), high carb (30-35p, 45-50c,15f). note that this numbers are not exact. Calories around 2200-2400 on no&lo, 3000-3100 on high carb. I use spreadsheet to track my diet.

My stats:
Height : 5' 8"
age : 27
Sex : Male
Weight :178-ish
Body fat : around 12-13% judging from my appearance (pretty lean everywhere, a bit of fat in lower back & lower abs)

Typical diet in a day:

breakfast :
- egg whites & whole egg ( I make omelette with veggies)
- oatmeal (on lo & hi-carb)
- tempeh
- Fish Oil

meal 2 :
- chicken
- apples
- almonds

lunch :
- egg whites & whole egg ( same as breakfast)
- tempeh
- broccoli
- sweet potato (on high carb)

meal 4 :
- whey + casein
- oatmeal (on high carb)
- coconut oil

post-WO :
- whey + instant oats

dinner :
- chicken
- broccoli
- fat sources ( fish oil, almonds, etc)
- Sweet potato (on hi-carb)

pre-bed :
- casein protein

the amount of protein, carb and fat varies between no, low, and high carb day. On no-carb, I still eat apple, and eating carbs around my workout, but not so much.

I also have cheat meals on weekend, usually saturday night, sunday noon & night. on sunday morning I have my usual breakfast since I have breakfast at home. I almost never pig out on my cheat meals. I eat one, or two serving on cheat meals. I rarely eat sweet stuff ( I get sick of the taste easily.)

Supplements I currently use : whey, casein, multi, BCAA, AP, and recreate, and usual supps (vit.C, R-ALA, milk thistle, fiber, potassium, fish & flax oil. I almost finish my tub of size-on, and I don't think i will buy again (great product, but expensive).

I got a lot of tubs in my cabinet it scares everyone who sees it ( actually they're just tubs of protein & BCAA, but different flavors LOL)

thanks again for the info guys!

Originally Posted by ninociamik

Hi Boro,

Right now I'm doing carb cycling because it give me the best result compared to conventional diet.

I'm pretty strict with my diet. my cycle consist of no-carb (45p, 15c, 40f), low-carb (45p, 30c, 25f), high carb (30-35p, 45-50c,15f). note that this numbers are not exact. Calories around 2200-2400 on no&lo, 3000-3100 on high carb. I use spreadsheet to track my diet.

My stats:
Height : 5' 8"
age : 27
Sex : Male
Weight :178-ish
Body fat : around 12-13% judging from my appearance (pretty lean everywhere, a bit of fat in lower back & lower abs)

Typical diet in a day:

breakfast :
- egg whites & whole egg ( I make omelette with veggies)
- oatmeal (on lo & hi-carb)
- tempeh
- Fish Oil

meal 2 :
- chicken
- apples
- almonds

lunch :
- egg whites & whole egg ( same as breakfast)
- tempeh
- broccoli
- sweet potato (on high carb)

meal 4 :
- whey + casein
- oatmeal (on high carb)
- coconut oil

post-WO :
- whey + instant oats

dinner :
- chicken
- broccoli
- fat sources ( fish oil, almonds, etc)
- Sweet potato (on hi-carb)

pre-bed :
- casein protein

the amount of protein, carb and fat varies between no, low, and high carb day. On no-carb, I still eat apple, and eating carbs around my workout, but not so much.

I also have cheat meals on weekend, usually saturday night, sunday noon & night. on sunday morning I have my usual breakfast since I have breakfast at home. I almost never pig out on my cheat meals. I eat one, or two serving on cheat meals. I rarely eat sweet stuff ( I get sick of the taste easily.)

Supplements I currently use : whey, casein, multi, BCAA, AP, and recreate, and usual supps (vit.C, R-ALA, milk thistle, fiber, potassium, fish & flax oil. I almost finish my tub of size-on, and I don't think i will buy again (great product, but expensive).

I got a lot of tubs in my cabinet it scares everyone who sees it ( actually they're just tubs of protein & BCAA, but different flavors LOL)

thanks again for the info guys!

This looks very good. I too have ran 'carb-cycling' programs. I usually recommend that you rather think of it as a 'macronutrient' cycling program.

The only issue i see is that your total kCal's drop drastically on your no/low days. The idea behind the 'macronutrient' cycling programs i have studied is to simply change meal composition not total kCal.

Therefore, you may want to consider lowering dietary fat and protein intake on 'high carb' days to allow for more carbohydrate intake without spilling over your kCal cap. As in the presence of high insulin secretion, muscle loss is not an issue and you get the endurance and strength boost of packed glycogen stores. On high carb days, you may want to consider adding PURE Supplement Pslin. It is the perfect addition to your high carb days.

In addition, this would mean that your 'no/low' days would consist 90% dietary fat and protein.

If you have any other questions, let us know!
Best of luck.

Originally Posted by borobulker

This looks very good. I too have ran 'carb-cycling' programs. I usually recommend that you rather think of it as a 'macronutrient' cycling program.

The only issue i see is that your total kCal's drop drastically on your no/low days. The idea behind the 'macronutrient' cycling programs i have studied is to simply change meal composition not total kCal.

Therefore, you may want to consider lowering dietary fat and protein intake on 'high carb' days to allow for more carbohydrate intake without spilling over your kCal cap. As in the presence of high insulin secretion, muscle loss is not an issue and you get the endurance and strength boost of packed glycogen stores. On high carb days, you may want to consider adding PURE Supplement Pslin. It is the perfect addition to your high carb days.

In addition, this would mean that your 'no/low' days would consist 90% dietary fat and protein.

If you have any other questions, let us know!
Best of luck.

Hi Boro, thanks for the great advice. Judging from my stats, how many calories do you think I should consume?

I might try P-Slin next time. You see, I don't live in the US ( I live in southeast asia), and the only way to get supplements is to have my brother bought it and bring it home (he studied in the US and comes home once a year). The only supplements sold here are general supplements (amino, whey, creatine, tribulus, fat burners) and the brands sold here are also general (optimum, muscletech, ultimate, prolab, etc). You won't find "advance" supplement companies sold here. It's funny that people here think Nitro-Tech is the bomb, while 5 lbs tubs were sold around $100 LOL

Originally Posted by ninociamik

Hi Boro, thanks for the great advice. Judging from my stats, how many calories do you think I should consume?

I might try P-Slin next time. You see, I don't live in the US ( I live in southeast asia), and the only way to get supplements is to have my brother bought it and bring it home (he studied in the US and comes home once a year). The only supplements sold here are general supplements (amino, whey, creatine, tribulus, fat burners) and the brands sold here are also general (optimum, muscletech, ultimate, prolab, etc). You won't find "advance" supplement companies sold here. It's funny that people here think Nitro-Tech is the bomb, while 5 lbs tubs were sold around $100 LOL

I will say i cannot give you an exact number. There are many different ways to figure out your BMR or RMR.

Originally Posted by bb.com

* Muscle - More muscle increases your RMR.

* Age - Your RMR decreases with Age A decrease in your RMR can be due to genetics.

* The Weather - Living in a cold enviroment can increase your RMR. I know this sounds strange but you expend more energy while moving around in cold weather. It's a alot easier to move around in summer but more of an effort to "get going" in winter.

* Meals - Small regular meals will increase your RMR.

* Pregnancy - It can increase your RMR.

* Crash Dieting - It will decrease your RMR.

* Supplements - Some supplements can raise your RMR.

Sorry to quote this but there are many variables.

What are goals as far as body composition, size and strength?

Originally Posted by borobulker

I will say i cannot give you an exact number. There are many different ways to figure out your BMR or RMR.



Sorry to quote this but there are many variables.

What are goals as far as body composition, size and strength?

Hi Boro,

Sorry I wasn't clear enough.

I'm 5'8, 178 lbs, bodyfat around 12-13%.
I consider myself pretty muscular, or more muscular than average guy, at least. Looking to recomp (adding more muscle & lose fat) since I'm somewhat satisfied with how my body looks.
I'm not big by any means, but not small, either (OK, maybe that's too general.)
In terms of strength, well, I'm stronger than most guys in my gym, but really, compared to most strength stats in this forum, I'm just a laughing stock LOL

If it helps, my current record are :

deadlift - 52.5 kgs each side (6-7 reps with belt)
ATG squat - 40 kgs each (8-9 reps,no belt), 45 kgs each (4-5 reps, with belt) --> I do it on smith machine since my gym doesn't have power rack
bench press - 45 kgs each (5-6 reps)

Hope that helps


thanks very much