Originally Posted by jonny21

Actually, alcohol is not a very good solvent for trituration as it evaporates too quickly. Best practice would be to use DMSO as solvent in the trituration process and add to carrier, it will also have an added benefit as penetration enhancer. Might want to think about adding some tamoxifen also considering that it is breast tissue specific in its anti estrogen effects.

Yeah, thats why you throw in some mineral oil. You just need a capful of ethanol to help dissolve the powder so you have a well levigated paste without large chunks in it. But I'm not really familiar with these newer topical products, with penetration ehhancers.

Originally Posted by pistonpump

thanks for your input! so using the powder with a transdermal carrier such as the ones sold on NP or by Primordial wouldnt work? you would still have to make a paste? I was thinking of just buying a premade carrier and just putting the powders in.....maybe you are talking in terms of making bulk solutions for ease on the wallet??? If i get the money together to do this i would probably trial it and have a few other people test it as well. Im really wanting to try this because i got another comment today about my nipples from my dad....asking why...i told em im holding water and a lil fat there....people are probably suspicious of my use.

Ah, that sucks. How bad is it? Did it come back after the epidrol? I guess apparently so. Hmmm... Well, you could just use a pre-made, it would probrably be easier, but less fun. The only problem would be if the powders didn't dissolve, or mix correctly, you will end up wasting your $$. So to be safe, you'd want to put them into solution first, then mix it. Have you ever tried the topical formestane? I've heard some success stories with people who didn't respond to serms and AIs. Good luck bro.

yeah it came back once i used a hormonal product again....phera then sus500 and now test deca....this will most lilkely be my last one, besides a possible epidrol run again for the gyno.

Originally Posted by pistonpump

yeah it came back once i used a hormonal product again....phera then sus500 and now test deca....this will most lilkely be my last one, besides a possible epidrol run again for the gyno.

Deca & phera? Hmmmmm.....you might have an ongoing prolactin issue you need to address.

ive been taking vitex and p5p throughout not to mention i dont have problems getting off although i dont really have enough to go again soon after...id hate to fork over the money for the cabergoline as i dont have much money to fork over esp if prolactin is not the cause. The deca shouldnt have had an effect so early right? I mean i just started week 4 of deca test.

Originally Posted by pistonpump

ive been taking vitex and p5p throughout not to mention i dont have problems getting off although i dont really have enough to go again soon after...id hate to fork over the money for the cabergoline as i dont have much money to fork over esp if prolactin is not the cause. The deca shouldnt have had an effect so early right? I mean i just started week 4 of deca test.

It doesn't sound like you have a prolactin issue.

Originally Posted by pistonpump

ive been taking vitex and p5p throughout not to mention i dont have problems getting off although i dont really have enough to go again soon after...id hate to fork over the money for the cabergoline as i dont have much money to fork over esp if prolactin is not the cause. The deca shouldnt have had an effect so early right? I mean i just started week 4 of deca test.

1. what cabergoline brand do you use? i always found dostinex to be prohibitively expensive (like >30$/mg), but sogilen and cabaser more around 3$/mg. 3$/week does not appear expensive to me compared to most other stuff.

2. can you please expound on why you wish to go this transdermal route, and not something conventional such as multi-month ralo or adex?

3. IMHO - and that's just my opinion - most self-treatments of gyno fail (if they fail) because of to short duration of the treatment. if you look at the adex/nolva/ralo studies on gyno, it always seems to convention to use 3-9 month treatments. if someone looks at a 4-week course only, he may set himself up for mid-term rebound and disappointment. plan accordingly.

T.I.

Originally Posted by Interlocutor

1. what cabergoline brand do you use? i always found dostinex to be prohibitively expensive (like >30$/mg), but sogilen and cabaser more around 3$/mg. 3$/week does not appear expensive to me compared to most other stuff.

2. can you please expound on why you wish to go this transdermal route, and not something conventional such as multi-month ralo or adex?

3. IMHO - and that's just my opinion - most self-treatments of gyno fail (if they fail) because of to short duration of the treatment. if you look at the adex/nolva/ralo studies on gyno, it always seems to convention to use 3-9 month treatments. if someone looks at a 4-week course only, he may set himself up for mid-term rebound and disappointment. plan accordingly.

T.I.

1. ive never used dostinex or caber....and it looks expensive everywhere i look.

2. I want to use DHT to rid the gyno, why not try to get some localized effect with a transdermal instead of just ingesting it?

3. If i did get this done id probably try it for a long period maybe 3 months even if it seems to work earlier...

would M5AA (methyl 5alpha) work okay in place of DHT? or is there no enzyme in the breast tissue for the conversion?

also heard a little talk about M5AA being active in its unconverted state....maybe without the conversion it would have similar properties to DHT?

I would much rather read about peoples definition and answer to what it actually is, rather than "it is" or "it isn't" "x problem".

Some good troubleshooting would be good here. I personally would say Mr. Inter to have posted the best help so far.