BDC Needs Beta Testers for New Formula!
07-18-2003 07:11 PM
PJam, I will personal respond to your assertions. I am the Vice President of BDC Nutrition and part owner of this message board.
1st, You should know that ALL beta testers have been supplied free bottles thus far. No one has paid a cent for it.
2. Any beta testing where people are actually charged is done at cost or even below sometimes. Why are people charged? I'll use UCP-1 for an example. We ran initial beta testing with a small group of people to assess effectiveness through alterations of certain variables. These people were provided bottles free of charge. In the case where people had to pay, we had over 300 people use the product to test for effectiveness. Clearly we were not going to supply 300+ people with free bottles. Rather, we sold them at a very low price and received quality feedback from a good group of bros.
3. Please don't spout off your mouth about our business practices and products without doing research, and clearly you haven't done any research because you said it yourself, "As i said i don't know this company". While I won't go into it in depth, nearly all members who make their way here are aware of BDC and what goes on here. The fact that you made your way to this board and then into the new formula section, with your only posts being bashes on something you are clearly ignorant about is a tad ironic. I will leave it at that.
4. While we are at it, I want to address some of your other assertions made just for fun.
"And when most supplement companies claim to hire or be the best Chemist and have these patent pending ingredients, I think some fair honest practices should be used."
Reponse: Actually, the president of the company is a chemist and finalizing a PhD as well. In addition, we have yet to claim or file any patents for our formulas. In case you missed the idea of the board, we supply people with the information and sources to make their own homebrews. If they don't want to do it themselves, they can purchase our brew, which has the exact same ingredients.
"For all intensive purposes, maybe the product is the best supplement ever created, but he is testing it for a reason. And he's making money on just testing the product. "
Response: Once again, no one is making money, just not LOSING any...and often the bottles are supplied for free, so we end up losing a bit anyway.
"He and many other companies know most bodybuilders and many young high schoolers and college kids, especially athletes will go to the extreme to find an edge. "
We are very strict about this and have a wonderful group of moderators who help us try to keep PH products out of the hands of kids. In fact, the president of the company once, after finding out someone not of age had purchased a PH product, called the person's mother and informed her of the issue.
"Just like most of these new Ephedra free products that are on the market, most of them are nothing more then caffine pills claiming they'll help you lose weight."
Reponse: Yeah, for the most part you are right. It's not that they AREN'T effective for fat loss, rather, just that most aren't nearly as effective as a tradition ECA, like they claim to be. I recommend you try out San's TIGHT. Seems to be an excellent blend with great feedback thus far.
"If it's really such a potent drug, or really almost a steroid, it wouldn't be legal now, would it."
Actually, they are extremely potent through hundreds, if not thousands by now, of feedback from BDC, Avant, Ergo, Molecular, etc etc etc. As far as the "really almost a steroid" comment... go research something called 1-testosterone.
"Tell me why aren't the supplemental companies products approved and tested by the FDA like the pharmacetical industry is?
Response: Go read this.... it will answer alot of your questions:
Questions? Feel free to respond.
07-18-2003 09:00 PM
As far as what the second PE could be, I'd guess maybe Azone (1-dodecylazacycloheptan-2-one).
Seen some good stuff about it in my pubmed searches on dmfa and other PEs
07-18-2003 09:06 PM
07-18-2003 10:33 PM
Azone is a good PE for hydrophillic actives. Not recommended for PH's. Originally posted by chosen5 As far as what the second PE could be, I'd guess maybe Azone (1-dodecylazacycloheptan-2-one).
07-18-2003 10:53 PM
ahh thanks Jack, few posts back I posted least ONE of Chemo's new PEs:
DMFA - dimethylformamide
Found it at www.sciencelab.com for $20 per 500ml
07-18-2003 10:54 PM
Also of note, here are a few studies/articles I found on pubmed/ebsco pertaining to DMFA and dermal delivery in general. You'll probably have to look them up at your local university's periodicals section though...
Percutaneous absorption of drugs.
Annual Review of Pharmacology and Toxicology Volume 29: Pages 55-69, 1989
Percutaneous absorption: a personal view.
Journal of investigative dermatology [J Invest Dermatol] 1974 Oct; 63 (4), pp. 305-8.
Enhanced percutaneous penetration with 1-dodecylazacycloheptan-2-one.
Archives of dermatology [Arch Dermatol] 1982 Jul; 118 (7), pp. 474-7.
Dimethylacetamide (DMAC) and dimethylformamide (DMFA). Effect on percutaneous absorption.
Archives of dermatology 1965 Nov; 92 (5), pp. 585-6.
07-21-2003 05:29 PM
Im new to these boards but am interested in trying a BDC product. I have used avants one and one+ to pretty good results, so I am experienced with the topicals. I was wondering if you were still looking for a beta tester. Thanks
07-23-2003 02:58 PM
Sorry if someone already reamed this guy out later on down the thread, i didn't read through the whole thing. I feel like jumping through this guys computer screen and ripping out his throat. Read the first post you fuk, free of charge for beta testers. Hope someone banned this fuk! Originally posted by pjam76 How do you charge for a beta tester? That is about the biggest scam I ever heard of in my life.. If you want somebody to test your products, your new product, how can you charge them?
That makes me think your company is nothing more then ENRON on drugs.
What a scam, charging beta testers to try out, review and test your NEW PRODUCT........
That's why supplemental companies get such a bad rap, because of companies like you. Most pharmaceutical companies have to go through tests and the FDA and then get approved.
Supplements do not. Not always a bad thing, but when you have rip off scam artists like yourself, thats why people start to want supplemental companies banned.
You lie to consumers and then laugh.
Well I hope you go down, down hard.
Charging for beta testers, what a scam.
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