BDC Needs Beta Testers for New Formula!

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  1. Originally posted by chosen5
    Will these new PEs be easily obtainable? (aka through lemelange) Why not spill the beans now for us good bros and let us do some good ol 'home research'!? - I have some powders on hand that I'd like to make good use of!
    Lemelange currently does not have them in stock but I have contacted her and will keep her in the loop on the trials.  If it looks promising I will ask her to stock it for the bros...but be warned they are expensive.

    I don't want to let it out now until we have time to evaluate the irritative properties.

    As a side note, I have already let it out of the bag with a post on this forum.  Let's see if someone can dig it up

    Chemo 


  2. Originally posted by Chemo
    As a side note, I have already let it out of the bag with a post on this forum.  Let's see if someone can dig it up
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++
    Actually...

    I am working on an improved formula that will allow for absorption in the range of an accidental solvent spillage into the bottle without the solvent. In addition, it will have water resistant properties that you are requesting. Notice that it is water resistant and NOT water proof...I'm not that good yet

    The intent is to first improve absorption beyond what is currently realized with a stock bottle of lotion while taking advantage of the moisture locking properties of a water resistant formula.

    This is a teaser as the improved formula won't be released for a few more weeks but I will be asking for beta testers that have past experience with lotions (and are post cycle with proper recovery).

    Chemo
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++

    What'd I win?! or are there more clues?!
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  3. I guess it will take a beginner to guide you to the answer

    Chemo

  4. Originally posted by Chemo
    I guess it will take a beginner to guide you to the answer

    Chemo
    Beginner as in your PDF beginners guide to transdermal delivery?!

  5. I would gander that Octyl Salicylate is the ingredient that is "water resistant" and is commonly known to be at least somewhat skin-irritating. (FYI this product is commonly used in sunscreens!)

    As for what the second ingredient could be...I'm looking into it!


    If the Octyl is right is there just one more ingredient? or still two Chemo?
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  6. The OS is in there...one down and 3 to go!

    Chemo

  7. phlogel

  8. Originally posted by Chemo
    The OS is in there...one down and 3 to go!

    Chemo
    Ah, I knew the OS would be the easy one! Avant has it in theirs and it was only a matter of time till 'we' adopted it

  9. I have always used Octly in my homebrews as I am convinced it improves absorption. It does not seem to be irritating at all. However, it is expensive. I payed $30 for 500 mL.

  10. I know i know.. TTY Oh yeh. No I don't ...
  11. Whats the deal?


    If the current formula does not work well with the masses then will we still get to find out the "secret" ingredients?

    -Your Endo

  12. have all the beta testers been notified?

  13. never mind, i saw the other thread!

  14. i just found this thread... a little late i guess

    have all the testers been picked out already??? i was planning on doing a cycle of the strong stuff pretty soon... but if you still need testers i would be willing to change my plans since i have previously done a cycle of t1 pro and have it documented on this site.

    edit... here is a link to my first t1pro cycle:
    http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...e&pagenumber=1

  15. hey chemo, if there your still picking. i want in!

  16. Never tried your product before. Have tried Impacts over priced Derma gain **** though. Gained about 6 pounds in 4 weeks. Of course i stacked it with some other junk. So i definatly would like to find something out there worth the price. Got real gear in the mail on the way but **** it i can wait.
    My diet consistes of:
    5am:6-7 egg whites 2 egg yokes one cup of noodles
    7am bowl of oatmeal with banana slices in it
    830am 4 egg whites 1 1/2 cup of rice veges in the egg whites also 1 sausage
    11am peanut butter sandwich on wheat bread
    1pm vegetable 2 chicken breast,baked, or fish ,or a red meat 1 1/2 rice
    and a salad
    3pm chicken breast sandwich on whole wheat just lettuce and tomatoe
    5pm same
    8pm post workout protein shake
    9pm 2 chicken breast
    930 bed time
    about 1 galloon to 1 1/2 galoons of water a day. including milk in the am
    ok guys im currently bulking naturally for 6 weeks i went from 177 to 186 and still going. Im 5'11 bf unkown. Im a tough gainer but including 2 extra meals a day have given me light.
    My work out includes 2 day on 1 day off.

  17. Holy crap. Do you not work. How do you eat all those meals??? TTY

  18. im a cook bro

  19. Great news Chemo!  I have done two cycles of T-1 Pro and one cycle of T-1 in the past.  I have been BB now for about a year after sitting behind a desk for twentyfive years as a CPA; yes, I'm 48.  On my first cycle I went from 185 to 204 (Wow) and my strength really soared.  I gained some fat along the way because I didn't have my diet down and there was a little bloating.  My T-1 cycle along with a cleaner diet and cardio kept me at the 204 range but leaned out the fat for some muscle.  Currently about to finish my T-1 Pro cycle (1 week left) while using HST and the Atkins diet (slightly modified).  In the last three weeks I have shed 12 lbs.  I'm sure some is waterweight and some is muscle (ouch) but most is fat as my lower abs are beginning to show for the first time since my twenties.  BBing is a great way of life and don't let anybody tell you that it is too late to start or that the "older crowd" can't make sizable gains by pushing the metal.  My current weight is 188, bis are 18.5, waist is 31 and chest is 45.  Would love to try to the new formula.  Pax 

  20. chemo what percent would you recommend the Octyl Salicylate at? 5%?


    Spill the beans on the new PEs! But, first get Melissa to carry them!
  21. Ideas....


    I remember reading about this at Avant. OS is sopposed to increase the aborption of testosterone 6 fold over a standard alcohol solution. I believe there PH lotion has the OS in it.

    Any of you guys ever tryed the Avant products? -Your Endo

  22. How do you charge for a beta tester? That is about the biggest scam I ever heard of in my life.. If you want somebody to test your products, your new product, how can you charge them?


    That makes me think your company is nothing more then ENRON on drugs.



    What a scam, charging beta testers to try out, review and test your NEW PRODUCT........


    That's why supplemental companies get such a bad rap, because of companies like you. Most pharmaceutical companies have to go through tests and the FDA and then get approved.


    Supplements do not. Not always a bad thing, but when you have rip off scam artists like yourself, thats why people start to want supplemental companies banned.

    You lie to consumers and then laugh.

    Well I hope you go down, down hard.

    Charging for beta testers, what a scam.

  23. Originally posted by pjam76
    How do you charge for a beta tester? That is about the biggest scam I ever heard of in my life.. If you want somebody to test your products, your new product, how can you charge them?
    Because the members of this board trust Chemoís ability to create an innovative product that will more effective than much of the garbage on the market. Heís owns a startup company for christís sake. If you donít like it, donít volunteer. Try VPX, Iím sure they gave out their betaís for free.


    Originally posted by pjam76
    That makes me think your company is nothing more then ENRON on drugs.
    Who exactly is he stealing from? He is being very upfront with anyone whom may want to participate.


    Originally posted by pjam76
    What a scam, charging beta testers to try out, review and test your NEW PRODUCT........
    Then donít buy his products!


    Originally posted by pjam76
    That's why supplemental companies get such a bad rap, because of companies like you. Most pharmaceutical companies have to go through tests and the FDA and then get approved.
    Most supp companies donít even test!!! They just dump them on the market. Could you imaging if they had beta testers for liquid creatine with reviews in a public forum. The product would have never made it off the shelves. Get a f*cking clue.


    Originally posted by pjam76
    Supplements do not. Not always a bad thing, but when you have rip off scam artists like yourself, thats why people start to want supplemental companies banned.
    Did you see B. Llewellys article in ESPN? How about Biotestís marketing claims (and Tim Patterson is president of the USFA)? VPXís ďoralĒ 1-test product suspended in BA/BB? Who are you kidding!


    Originally posted by pjam76
    You lie to consumers and then laugh.

    Well I hope you go down, down hard.

    Charging for beta testers, what a scam.
    Please, keep holding your breath waiting for BDC Nutrition to go down.

    Just go away.

  24. Originally posted by pjam76
    How do you charge for a beta tester? That is about the biggest scam I ever heard of in my life.. If you want somebody to test your products, your new product, how can you charge them?


    That makes me think your company is nothing more then ENRON on drugs.



    What a scam, charging beta testers to try out, review and test your NEW PRODUCT........


    That's why supplemental companies get such a bad rap, because of companies like you. Most pharmaceutical companies have to go through tests and the FDA and then get approved.


    Supplements do not. Not always a bad thing, but when you have rip off scam artists like yourself, thats why people start to want supplemental companies banned.

    You lie to consumers and then laugh.

    Well I hope you go down, down hard.

    Charging for beta testers, what a scam.
    First off no one put a gun to anyone's head and made them purchase it.  Second the formula had been tried on a couple of people prior to releasing it for testing.  You are obviously very misinformed about Chemo and his business ethics.

  25. "Heís owns a startup company for christís sake. "



    Wow, if you think that means he isn't a thief, i guess you weren't around for all the INTERNET stock years. When most companies later were found out to be nothing more then liars and cheats. And every other day a new supplement company comes out with these false claims.


    I don't know much about this guys company, but i do know, if you are TESTING a product, you don't charge people for it. it's called fair business practice, or did you miss that one in business 101.

    Its what most pharmacetical companies do.

    And when most supplement companies claim to hire or be the best Chemist and have these patent pending ingredients, I think some fair honest practices should be used.

    As i understand, it is a business and he needs to make money.

    But the problem with all these supplement companies is that guys like you kiss these companies asses, whomever company you use. Its ridicuolous that there isn't ever an honest opinion.


    And what's up with you throwing out some other companies name and claiming they are worse then you. I don't care. When your defense is to claim some other company is worse then yours or the one you use, that makes the whole argument biased.

    And for the going down factor, maybe you should wake up, the US Congress(here in the USA) is trying to pass a law to ban most, if not all, supplements. And they have been gaining ground because of many of the practices participated in by these supplemental companies.

    Not just this company , but many others.

    At first I thought it was another way for the governement to get their hands on something else because a couple people start complaining.

    But why do pharmacetical companies have to go threw the FDA and numerous tests to make sure their DRUGS work and are technically safe?


    is it because most supplements are full of crap. If it's really such a potent drug, or really almost a steroid, it wouldn't be legal now, would it.


    True, some of the supplements work, but when every other week these companies come out with, A NEW and IMPROVED patent pending SUPPLEMENT, it gets kind of ridiculous.


    So go back to kissing this guys ass and have a nice day with your BETA-TESTED supplements that you paid for.

    Why isn't the supplemental industry tested and approved by the FDA if these supplemental companies products are so potent and patent-pending.

    Tell me why aren't the supplemental companies products approved and tested by the FDA like the pharmacetical industry is?

    Explain that one to me ?
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