Dbol/Deca Dermal

AustinA · 04-14-2007, 08:47 PM

Stats:
Age: 25
height: 5'7''
weight: 171
bf %: 12%
Years working out: 2 1/2
Previous cycles:March 06 superdrol/pheraplex cycle. gained 21 lbs kept 17.

I've searched and searched and I'm tired. I've got a tub of phlojel, 10g of deca base powder and 10g of dbol powder. I originally wanted to make these both into a well rationed transdermal mixture. However, My research keeps getting messed up due to conflicting views. People say you shouldn't make a dermal dbol, it's inefficient blah blah blah. Cool, I'll make an oral solution but then I see that people have done dbol dermals and liked it. I don't know what I want now with my dbol. Then comes my Deca. I know I can make a dermal solution with that but I don't know how due to it's oily sticky texture. Do I just throw it in the mortar and pestle away? Any help is greatly appreciated here guys.
Austin

**fatsuperman** · 04-14-2007, 09:10 PM

I see the same contridictory information.

I'm curious too.

How effecient are transdermals vs. oral

and

Is there any less liver stress associated with it, and if there is less liver stress then is it possible to run an extended dbol transdermal cycle let us say 8 to 10 weeks.

**RedwolfWV** · 04-14-2007, 09:14 PM

Why would you want to waste 70% of your dbol making a dermal out of it? There would not be any difference to liver stress. It will still pass through the liver.

AustinA · 04-14-2007, 10:34 PM

Mainly because of the convienience of a rationed mixture of the two. If it is indeed better to make it into an oral solution can someone link me the quick and dirty on doing so?

**RedwolfWV** · 04-14-2007, 10:36 PM

I'm not sure what its soluble in. I'd guess a solution of grain alcohol and PEG, but again, I'm really not sure. Might want to ask in the steroids section. I'm sure someone in there can give you a real answer.

**fatsuperman** · 04-14-2007, 11:58 PM

Dbol goes right into everclear.

I measure out 30 mls in a used "research chem" eyedropper and add about 1200 mgs of powder

This yields apx. 1 ml = 40 mgs which is a nice dose for a 4 week cycle.

AustinA · 04-15-2007, 05:21 AM

thanks bro. I'm in Japan so I gotsta buy spiritus. (same as everclear)

AustinA · 04-15-2007, 07:47 AM

Any suggestions on the waxy deca transdermal? It's just too tacky to put in a mortar I think.

**jonny21** · 04-15-2007, 08:23 AM

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Any suggestions on the waxy deca transdermal? It's just too tacky to put in a mortar I think.

Try a little DMSO. I would not be too concerned with the stickiness. Just make sure you compound correctly. Add the phlojel as directed to ensure consistent mixture concentration.

Addressing your opening statement, I would not mix 2 chemicals into same compound. Especially 2 that have increased risk for negative side-effects. Example: if back pumps are too severe on D'bol that you decide to discontinue, you now have to stop the Deca also.

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Originally Posted by RedwolfWV

Why would you want to waste 70% of your dbol making a dermal out of it? There would not be any difference to liver stress. It will still pass through the liver.

It will eventually pass throught the liver but at a lower rate & volume which would reduce hepatoxicity.

**jminis** · 04-15-2007, 08:46 AM

Okay anyone who puts dbol into a dermal should not be taking it. I can't believe some people actually do this and then post a log about it. Talk about have no clue.

As for the nandrolone base your fine.

**RedwolfWV** · 04-15-2007, 01:23 PM

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It will eventually pass throught the liver but at a lower rate & volume which would reduce hepatoxicity.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

AustinA · 04-15-2007, 05:00 PM

Hey jminis. We are all here trying to be educated further and being open to suggestion is the way of doing that. Posting things like "I can't believe some people actually do this ....Talk about have no clue" is surely not going to help accomplish goals. The harshness of these comments make people reluctant to ask a simple question and ultimately currupts the very reason these boards exist. Please try to keep this in mind.
Austin

K, so I see the point of keeping dbol oral. Thanks Jonny21. As for mixing with DMSO, I see how that might break it down a little being a super solvent and all. I wanted to avoind mixing with a solvent entirely due to my sensitive skin. Do you think heat might work? Thanks for the help all BTW.

Skye · 04-16-2007, 01:36 AM

Ok, first off TAKE A METHYLATED STEROID VIA INJECTION OR TRANSDERAM DOES NOT REDUCE THE STRESS ON YOU LIVER appreciably. mg per mg absorbed it will be the same. It may provide a more even release in injections and avoid a spike but it is useless take it any other way to reduce the liver toxicity. Sorry but I don’t know why this one will not die.

Secondly when he said oily and stick texture did you mean that you’re trying to make a transdermal out of nandrolone decanoate? Not nandrolone base, that is with no ester? If you are then your wasting money and time, the decanoate ester will prevent most of the hormone from penetrating. You need the base hormone or at least a very short esters to make this work.

Sorry but you really need to do some more research before you start doing this.

AustinA · 04-16-2007, 02:05 AM

I thought something was wrong. I came here for education on this and I got it. Thanks Skye

HK-91 · 04-16-2007, 10:33 PM

For transdermals, you have to take the molecular weight of the substance, you wish to use. If it has a high molecular weight it will not readly absorb, even with a trandermal carrier(gel)

Nandrolone- (19-Nor-4-androstene-3-one,17b-ol)

Molecular weight of base: 274.4

Molecular weight of ester: 172.

You really dont want to be over 300 when converting any product into a transdermal. The base alone is getting farely close, but if you are talking about using deca that is already mixed in an ester, it would be pointless.

AustinA · 04-16-2007, 10:47 PM

Hey jminis. We are all here trying to be educated further and being open to suggestion is the way of doing that. Posting things like "I can't believe some people actually do this ....Talk about have no clue" is surely not going to help accomplish goals. The harshness of these comments make people reluctant to ask a simple question and ultimately currupts the very reason these boards exist. Please try to keep this in mind.
Austin

K, so I see the point of keeping dbol oral. Thanks Jonny21. As for mixing with DMSO, I see how that might break it down a little being a super solvent and all. I wanted to avoind mixing with a solvent entirely due to my sensitive skin. Do you think heat might work? Thanks for the help all BTW.

**RedwolfWV** · 04-16-2007, 10:49 PM

Carefull.... asking for sources can get you banned.

**jminis** · 04-16-2007, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinA

Hey jminis. We are all here trying to be educated further and being open to suggestion is the way of doing that. Posting things like "I can't believe some pe