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Old 12-03-2006, 04:02 PM   #1
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1T, 4AD Again!!
Looking at running an 8 weeker in the new year with superdrol for the first 3.
Couple of Q's, How does 1g 4AD (have a lot of this!), 200mg 1T a day sound??
Also is the dermabolics transport matrix any good and would it be a good idea to mix together or keep in seperate bottles?
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Old 12-03-2006, 05:34 PM   #2
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You can use transport matrix and put in the same bottle.
 
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Old 12-03-2006, 05:38 PM   #3
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IMO that is too much 4AD and too little 1-Test. But that is just me. DermaBolics is good and so is Penetrate. Seperate or together. Otherwise...looks golden
 


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Also is the dermabolics transport matrix any good and would it be a good idea to mix together or keep in seperate bottles?
I used the Dermabolics product for a 4AD/1T cycle back in the day, and it worked well.
 


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I like a 2:1 4-AD:1-t ratio in penetrate or transport matrix.
 


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Old 12-04-2006, 12:41 PM   #6
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IMO that is too much 4AD and too little 1-Test. But that is just me. DermaBolics is good and so is Penetrate. Seperate or together. Otherwise...looks golden
What doseages do you think would be better, 800mg 4AD, 300 1-T sound ok?
 
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What are your stats and previous experience?
 
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Old 12-04-2006, 01:18 PM   #8
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What are your stats and previous experience?
5'9 180 lean
Arms 16
Chest 43
legs 24.5

Have done a 6 week phera about 6 months ago ago and 4 weeks s1+ years ago with very little knowledge
 
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2:1 ratio as mentioned is an option. The more 4AD the wetter. I prefer a drier 3:2 ratio of 600mg 4AD to 400mg+ 1T. I can't tell you want to do because you may not respond or have tolerance like I do.
 


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Old 12-04-2006, 03:04 PM   #10
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I say start at 400mg 4AD:200mg 1-test, as you gain mass you need to increase your kcals and possibly your dosage of the 4AD/1-test. Make sure to look up how to mix 4AD in a transdermal mix b/c it can be a ***** if you do not know exactly what you are doing.
 
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Old 12-05-2006, 05:51 AM   #11
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Ok thanks, i'll update as to how i get on!
 
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i still dont know why guys say it hard to mix 4-ad in a solution. I just mixed 24grms in a penetrate solution and it went to super well, i mean SUPER WELL. I also put 24grms of 1-test in another penetrate bottle. The 1-test went in good but there are grains lying aroung the bottle when i shake it up. Other than that, everything else is golden.
 


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i still dont know why guys say it hard to mix 4-ad in a solution. I just mixed 24grms in a penetrate solution and it went to super well, i mean SUPER WELL. I also put 24grms of 1-test in another penetrate bottle. The 1-test went in good but there are grains lying aroung the bottle when i shake it up. Other than that, everything else is golden.
If there are grains in the bottle, then that means it did not dissolve and it is not in solution.
 
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How long does it take for this stuff to start working? I am a week in and nothing yet. The whole transdermal game is new to me. so yall dont be harsh.
 


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How long does it take for this stuff to start working? I am a week in and nothing yet. The whole transdermal game is new to me. so yall dont be harsh.
Not to be a smart ass, but maybe you did not dissolve all of the powder. 24g into an 8oz bottle of penetrate is way too much so I really doubt your claim. You should be able to feel the effects within about a week. What is your dosage?
 
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why not run the 4ad for 10-12 weeks???

I mean, most guys would run good old test for at least that long.
 
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How long does it take for this stuff to start working? I am a week in and nothing yet. The whole transdermal game is new to me. so yall dont be harsh.
On my last 1-t/4-ad/sd cycle I felt the transdermal working within the first few days.
 
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