[BigVrunga]

This is a slightly tweaked version of the original homebrew transdermal formula developed when Anabolicminds.com was still in its infancy.

40% IPA
12% IPM
12% IPP
10% OA
10% DMSO
6% D-Lim
5% PG
5% PEG400

Applied to a large surface area (the chest, both inner lats, etc), and applying each dose split in two applications (allowing the first to dry for ~10min, then applying the rest over it) - I'd put money on absorption rates being right around 40%.

BV

[Rostam]

What would be your estimate for absorbtion rate of this formula without DMSO?
How is the solubility of PHs in it?

[BigVrunga]

You can dissolve about 10g of 4AD in 8 oz. Not very good compared to some, but I also think that's part of the high absorption % (less compound + more carrier = higher absorption %)

Without the DMSO, you can probably cut that figure in half. Most alcohol only solutions have an absorption rate of ~10-20%. The oleaic acid and IPM might add a little more.

BV

[MTNMEDIC]

Is there a retailer that that carries all ? besides the 4-AD ofcourse.

[BigVrunga]

Body Builder Supplies

Lemelange carries all kinds of products for soap, lotion and transdermal formulas.

[MTNMEDIC]

I remember them, thanks jus what I was looking for !

[Alexander]

If you got 40% absorption that's great, but I think it is closer to 25-30%. That's with rotating sites, and using a second application for each application. I just feel people overestimate the absorption %'s. People claim Phlojel is 50-60%, I did not experience that. I'd say 35% at best with Phlojel.

[BigVrunga]

Could be Alexander. Its impossible to tell for sure. Id rather over estimate and run a little light than under estimate and run too heavy.

Ive run 2 cycles of 1test/4AD TD. The 1st time was BDC T1 which was 5g 1test and 10g 4AD in an 8oz bottle of Transdermal matrix. On that cycle I gained about 15lbs retained in 4 weeks. (205-220) 2 years later, I ran this homebrew with the exact same ratios and shot up 25lbs, leveled off at 245 during PCT. (18+% BF). Incredible strength gains, crazy, painful back pumps, and water retention was so bad I started to get edema in my ankles. It was obviously quite a bit more potent than the BDC gel I had use 2 years prior. As to the percentage, who knows for sure but Ill guess 40% from now on when I use this formula in order to avoid enduring sides like that again.

BV

[Rostam]

Could be Alexander. Its impossible to tell for sure. Id rather over estimate and run a little light than under estimate and run too heavy.

Ive run 2 cycles of 1test/4AD TD. The 1st time was BDC T1 which was 5g 1test and 10g 4AD in an 8oz bottle of Transdermal matrix. On that cycle I gained about 15lbs retained in 4 weeks. (205-220) 2 years later, I ran this homebrew with the exact same ratios and shot up 25lbs, leveled off at 245 during post cycle therapy. (18+% BF). Incredible strength gains, crazy, painful back pumps, and water retention was so bad I started to get edema in my ankles. It was obviously quite a bit more potent than the BDC gel I had use 2 years prior. As to the percentage, who knows for sure but Ill guess 40% from now on when I use this formula in order to avoid enduring sides like that again.

BV

How long was each of your cycles?

[BigVrunga]

4 weeks,there's logs for both of them on the site...

[BigVrunga]

Here they are:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle...hlight=bonanza

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle...light=Homebrew

[Shaolin Style]

Here they are:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle...hlight=bonanza

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle...light=Homebrew

I noticed that you used 7oxo TD in your linked cycle. I just picked up 5g Androstenetrione (same thing right?) and an 8oz TD "Penetrate". Could you help with my mix ratios/doses? Any idea how much 8 oz with 5g would give me? About to do superdrol 4 weeker and had hoped to do this TD during and post cycle. Will it be ok to this TD with rebound reloaded? Sorry so many questions all at once. Thanks!

[Rostam]

Androstenetrione is not same thing as 7oxo but Androstenetrione=6oxo. It is an AI.

[Rostam]

Body Builder Supplies

Lemelange carries all kinds of products for soap, lotion and transdermal formulas.

Do they still sell D-limonen? I can't find it anymore. No where.

[BigVrunga]

D-Limolene was the emulsifying agent in the mixture. Not sure why its not available - Id try emailing them. Looks like they have a substitute though, PS80.

BV

[Rostam]

Does PS80 work the same way than d-limonene? Good to know.

[MTNMEDIC]

You can buy d-Limonine buy the gallon, and 55 gallon. it's used by water treatment plants

[ralph4u2c]

i remember chemo saying his gels were something like 35-40% absorbtion rate with versions for the future (which we didnt see much of because of the ban and his move to pheromones) that could be as high as 45%-50%. to hard to tell but if this is a tweaked version, then its a solid number better than many other formulas out there.

rostam - why no DMSO in your formula?

[Rostam]

rostam - why no DMSO in your formula?

Well I did add DMSO to some of my formula in the past but don't want to do it anymore. DMSO is a no selective carrier. It will grab everything on yours skin and in the ingredient of your carrier and carry it into your system including toxins and carcinogenics . I've never been able to find all the ingredients I need to make a USP grade carrier. that's why I don't add dmso any more.