[TimoteoS]

Ive got all the above mentioned. Im def going to be using the 4derm w/ the atd still contimplating the 70H in worry's of cortisol suppression.. Any ideas if this is a good idea to throw a gram of ATD in my bottle of 4derm and maybe 2-3 grams 7-oh in there.. Would they dissolve fine and what not?

[DmitryWI]

I don't see why you need ATD in it, 1g is waaaaay too much anyway. Put some 7-OH and you should be fine.

[TimoteoS]

I dont see why not, the ATD would be to help prevent any estrogen problems as this is not going to be cycled w/ any prohormones or designer steroids. I was thinking

ATD/4derm/7oh trans + TTA and Nettle Root Extract

[DmitryWI]

Ok, what is 4derm? As far as I know it's 4-ad mixed into transdermal solution?

[TimoteoS]

Yeah you are right. I am not sure where you are going with this, if you have another suggestion please let me know.

[DmitryWI]

Ok, I just wanted to make sure before I go any further.
120ml of 4derm has about 9g of 4-ad, right? You have 75mg/ml of 4-ad. You add 1 g of ATD you'll have about 8mg/ml.
This is way too much of ATD, first, you don't need ATD while you use 4-ad, unless you gyno prone, second, you won't get the same results if you supress estrogen too much, third.

[TimoteoS]

I dont have the bottle near me at the moment but that doesnt sound correct. I could be wrong but I thought it was something else. I havent thought about it much just that if it is 30 servings and I put in 1 gram atd, I will get 33mg of ATD per serving, but I dont know if that is even right. Ill grab the bottle and get back to you....I think the ATD + 4AD + Nettle Root Extract would be an amazing idea and so have a few others(not to put you down)...

[DmitryWI]

Sounds about right. 30 servings is 4 ml per day, it's 300mg of 4-ad and 32mg of atd. I still don't understand why you need atd in it. Use it after you done with 4derm, not during.
P.S. I just offer my opinion, in the end you are the one who makes final decision.

[TimoteoS]

Your opinion is highly respect and appreciated especially since your the only one giving me your time to help me out... I am still weiging the options out.. Thank you for the help and any other suggests/idea are welcome..

[jmh80]

I say give it a shot.
What the hell.

You aren't going to give yourself a tumor or anything...

Let us know what you think maing.

[BigVrunga]

4AD was always a 'wet' chemical for me and I always ended up too bloated and w/nipple irritation mid-cycle. (the bloating could have been due to too much sodium too, but I digress...)

Anway, you dont want to suppress all your estrogen, rather keep your estrogen levels normal and increase testosterone. You may want to consider adding formestane to your transdermal mix...it's less potent than ATD, and also converts to OHT which could also potentiate your anabolic cycle. It always worked great for me, keeping the 4AD estrogen related sides at bay, but I still made impressive gains.

[same_old]

Originally Posted by BigVrunga

4AD was always a 'wet' chemical for me and I always ended up too bloated and w/nipple irritation mid-cycle. (the bloating could have been due to too much sodium too, but I digress...)

Anway, you dont want to suppress all your estrogen, rather keep your estrogen levels normal and increase testosterone. You may want to consider adding formestane to your transdermal mix...it's less potent than ATD, and also converts to OHT which could also potentiate your anabolic cycle. It always worked great for me, keeping the 4AD estrogen related sides at bay, but I still made impressive gains.

BigV - an asset to any thread

an important thing to note is that both formestane and ATD are very orally bioavailable. there just isnt a good reason to add them to a transdermal matrix, where the ratios are set in stone once you mix it up. you may find that the ATD reduces estrogen too much and your joints start to ache or libido drops...and if it was in a TD carrier, you're screwed. if it was oral, though, you could just drop the dosage.

stick to oral on this.

formestane really does whup ATD's butt in terms of sides and gains, IME. 6OXO works even better, but that's me and not everyone else. aromasin is also good, but too strong IMO. @ 12.5mg/d for a week i was achey and DRYYY.

you gonna throw a 17aa in the mix???

[ratche dog]

is the active ingredient in Rebound XT adt?

[same_old]

Originally Posted by ratche dog

is the active ingredient in Rebound XT adt?

yeah

[ratche dog]

thank you

[Grassroots082]

First off, are you prone to estrogenic side effects? Have you cycled before?

I concur with Big V, formestane will be run with my cycles from now on, primarily for its effect on SHBG but that is a whole nother' debate.

Formestane is very bioavailable orally? Didn't know that.