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Old 07-05-2006, 09:07 PM   #1
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Transdermal issues... help

I just mixed in 5g 6oxo into 4oz Dermabolics Transdemral

Nothing shoots out and its not dissolved
Any suggestions?
 
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I just mixed in 5g 6oxo into 4oz Dermabolics Transdemral

Nothing shoots out and its not dissolved
Any suggestions?
1. You need to heat it.
2. You should use an oral syringe instead of the spray pump.
3. You should already know this.
4. Search button is here for you, use it.
 



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I searched hard, even throught google, but couldnt find it.
How should I heat it?
 
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Old 07-06-2006, 02:06 AM   #4
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I searched hard, even throught google, but couldnt find it.
How should I heat it?
I performed one search in the transdermals forum with the keyword "heat". Took all of 5 seconds.

Here ya go:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/search-867307.html
 



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6oxo dissolves very poorly. 5g is way too much for 4Oz. Keep it under 3g of 6oxo per 4oz.
 
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6oxo dissolves very poorly. 5g is way too much for 4Oz. Keep it under 3g of 6oxo per 4oz.
Nonsense. Just have to know what you are doing. 6 grams goes in without a problem. If You can get 75mg/ml of test suspension in water you can get 50mg/ml in a carrier.
 



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Wrong!
6oxo does not have the same solubility than test. Test is really easy to get into solution. I'm not talking about suspension but solution. Have you ever tried to put 6oxo into solution? I did and the maximum to get a real solution is 30mg/ml.
Same for 7oxo have you ever tried to put more than 3-4g in a 4oz carrier? I did. And the best concentration of solution you can get with 6oxo or 7 oxo is 30-35mg/ml even using a heating magnetic stirrer.
 
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I have had no problems with getting 6 grams of either in 4oz carrier. You need to use a solvent.

My point with the test suspension is the ability to get the entire volume of powder into solution with a small amount of solvent before even adding your water. The water pulls it out of a solution to a suspension. Poorly worded on my part.
Try mixing ~10ml solvent, an oz of carrier and your 6 grams. Heat that in the oven at 250 for 15-20 minutes (not some hot water bath). Once the opacity has disappeared add it to the remaining 3oz carrier.
 



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Sometimes heating can become annoying.

Another option is shake up your suspension, pour it in a mason jar, and apply using an oral syringe.

Before you ask. 1 Spray equates out to about 0.8 mL.
 
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Nonsense. Just have to know what you are doing. 6 grams goes in without a problem. If You can get 75mg/ml of test suspension in water you can get 50mg/ml in a carrier.
6gr of what? test? Here we are not talking about test. test gets into solution even without heating.

Sovant? carrier is already a solvant.
And why would you add water to your carrier?
 
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Sometimes heating can become annoying.

Another option is shake up your suspension, pour it in a mason jar, and apply using an oral syringe.

Before you ask. 1 Spray equates out to about 0.8 mL.
If you want to use 6oxo transdermally, suspension will not do the trick. You need to get it into solution. Otherwise the active will remain on your skin.
 
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6gr of what? test? Here we are not talking about test. test gets into solution even without heating.

No not test. You were referring to 6 & 7 oxo. When I said "either" I figured you would understand me.


Sovant? carrier is already a solvant.
And why would you add water to your carrier?

Did you even read my post?
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Carrier is not all solvent. By using a solvent with a small amount of the carrier you amplify the the effect on the solute. The additional solvent may not even be required but you may need to heat for a larger timeframe without it.

Just because you tried and failed does not mean it cannot be done. How are you heating? In boiling water, in the oven or a hot plate?
 



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If you use 10% solvent for 4Oz total volume that would be 25% of your carrier in addition to what solvent is already in the carrier. This will diminish your carrier efficacy and probably the absorption rate.
What solvent do you use for 6 or 7 oxo?
Just for info, even Dermabolic Metacort which is 50% 6 oxo and 50% 7 oxo has only 3gr of each in 8OZ. Don't you think they would save 4Oz of carrier if they could?
 
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I had this problem with 12.5 grams of 4ad to 8oz of matrix

sinner is on the money when he said 1 spray = .8ml.

i was doing 7 sprays to get 300mg
when i did the conversion i get 5.6ml per 300mg dose, sure dose seem like alot.

i wish someone would doublecheck my math.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/trans...k-my-math.html
 
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12.5g of 4AD in 8oz would be no problem.
 
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12.5g of 4AD in 8oz would be no problem.
well it was for me. I am a novice, so maybe the next batch will turn out better.
 
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