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Old 06-26-2006, 02:07 PM   #1
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Transdermal Carrier Absorption
How much actually product would you be getting if your using T-gel? In the near future i'd like to use some tren base+Test Base in t-gel (seperate bottles) and i just wanna know how much i'll actually be getting into my system, isn't it like 30%?
 
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:23 PM   #2
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I got with 30% and it seems to be fair assumption
 
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:25 PM   #3
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Yeah, 30% seems to be a fair estimate. There are always things you can do to try and increase absorption though.
 


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Old 07-05-2006, 05:00 AM   #4
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What can be done to increase absorption?
 
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What can be done to increase absorption?
Rotate application locations, add chemical penetration enhancers e.g. DMSO, DMFA, D-Limonene, remove hair from application area, exfolliate.
 


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whoa whoa whoa...where did you get ahold of some t-gel?
 
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Old 07-14-2006, 05:43 PM   #7
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Ah Tgel good stuff.
 
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does anyome still sell that or does chemo even still make it?
 
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EDIT: CNW used to carry it.
 
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Old 07-17-2006, 04:55 PM   #10
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Been out of stock for quite a while.
 


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i guess plogel is the best there is now?
 
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Make your own. It is very simple. Even if you just throw together alcohol, IPM, and a few PE, you can get excellent result. Excellent as in result not that different from the complex formular.
 
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Make your own. It is very simple. Even if you just throw together alcohol, IPM, and a few PE, you can get excellent result. Excellent as in result not that different from the complex formular.
Alcohol is not the best base since it tends to dry skin which decreases absorption. Penetrate is a decent alternative and is available at one of the board sponsors (Nutraplanet). I have never used it but Universalkits also make a carrier. I have some experience with quite a few penetration enhancers, check out my transdermal log for details.
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Alcohol is the solvent. Even Penetrate has Isopropyl alcohol.

You can use either Isopropyl or ethanol (EverClear). For simplicity sake, I just wrote alcohol. The drying problem is solved with the other oil based ingredients. You can add glycerol if you are so inclined. But Oleic acid, propylene glycol will more than take care of the drying issue. Hell, if you have made your own transdermal, you would know the problem is not dryness. The problem is to get it to dry fast enough. We are talking about 10-15 minutes before you can get dressed. lol (I miss those days of brave experimenting with different formulation on your own skin. )

Unless you are talking about Biotest's original Androsol... That's a horse with a different color. Them lying bastards. 40% absorption rate using ISO only.
 
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I was not referring to the immediate dryness of the skin but the long term effect of applying a solution that is 40% isopropyl alcohol. I personally think phlo-jel ultra is the way to go but none of the board sponsors carry it so I won't push the subject.
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Alcohol is the solvent. Even Penetrate has Isopropyl alcohol.

You can use either Isopropyl or ethanol (EverClear). For simplicity sake, I just wrote alcohol. The drying problem is solved with the other oil based ingredients. You can add glycerol if you are so inclined. But Oleic acid, propylene glycol will more than take care of the drying issue. Hell, if you have made your own transdermal, you would know the problem is not dryness. The problem is to get it to dry fast enough. We are talking about 10-15 minutes before you can get dressed. lol (I miss those days of brave experimenting with different formulation on your own skin. )

Unless you are talking about Biotest's original Androsol... That's a horse with a different color. Them lying bastards. 40% absorption rate using ISO only.
 


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There is simply no drying effect whatsoever, long or short term. It is simply mitigated by the other ingredients. Like I said, if one just experiments with the formulation, it would be obvious. The biggest problem is oiliness, not dryness.

If you prefer Phlogel, that is fine. But it is wrong to state that alcohol base will cause dryness long term, as the typical TD formulation does not call for using alcohol as the only ingredient. (Unless you are Biotest...) I am willing to bet you that the Penetrate you recommended is at least 30-40% Iso.
 
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There is simply no drying effect whatsoever, long or short term. It is simply mitigated by the other ingredients. Like I said, if one just experiments with the formulation, it would be obvious. The biggest problem is oiliness, not dryness.

If you prefer Phlogel, that is fine. But it is wrong to state that alcohol base will cause dryness long term. I am willing to bet you that the Penetrate you recommended is at least 30-40% Iso.
I am sure it is and that is my point. I have used Penetrate and experienced drying.
 


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Add some Oleic acid and you would never know what dryness is. Absorption will also improve too.

Penetrate is not the end all be all of TD. It is lacking in a couple of ingredients. It is a decent one tho, judging from the ingredients listed. One can enhance it by adding a couple of ingredients, assuming the original product is not BS (ie., does not contain what are listed as ingredients).

Like I said, anyone can roll his own. The formular is out there. My friends and I have experimented with dozens of variations. We have used Iso. We have used ethanol. We even added DMSO. With glycerine, Oleic acid and IPM added, dryness is never a problem. The DMSO may irritate your skin after awhile. Other than that, dryness is the least of all concerns. May be Penetrate just sucks. So, FWIW.....


BTW, I see where you get the dryness from...