yea the solubulizer is need ed for the syno to get test base, or at least I would recommend it.
You can just apply the tren ground up into phlojel for the tren portion.
Below I have a big long thesis on the conversion of syno H for transdermals
There seems to be some disagreement about whether the NAOH conversion actually removes the E from the syno during conversion.
Dazed indicates in his information that
it does.
The Syno Kits guys indicate that
it does.
Wardog indicates that
it does.
While Animal
does not believe that it does and says that NaOh will not work on Estradoil but not EB, Animal goes on to say that it can damage the test.
For filtering out the Test Prop without the EB, the super saturation / recrystalization method does work and is chemically sound. No on can argue with it. If you do it enough times to the unprocessed syno H you will get purer and purer test prop with each recrystallizaion. It is however VERY labor intensive, and time consuming. In the future I will just get the damn e solubulizer.
I'm kind of worried that if you order the ester strip off version of this they will just be sending you a vial of super saturated NAOH. I think I would order the regular solubulizer so I can perform the conversion then do the NAOH strip off to be extra sure I have gotten all the EB out.
I basically blew a whole 10 cart screwing around with this to see who the heck is right. Obviously I'm not a chemist nor do I have a gas chromatograph to test these things and be positive. I believe that NAOH does remove the EB and the melt points shift exactly like they should when this is done.
I also KNOW that NAOH will damage, and deystroy a good quanity of the test if you use the recepies floating around these forums. The home brew formulas for stripping the ester are way too agressive and leave you with sick yellow test crystals and around 30% conversion ratios.
Daze's NAOH ester strip off solution that is posted with his sound recrystallization technique is too feeble and does not remove the ester. I used it and the melting point of the crystals stayed right at 120 C, meaning I still had test prop.
The good news is that EB has a molecular weight of 376. Anything over 400 is just about impossible to get through the skin with any real results. It appears to me that if you made a concious effort to TRY to get EB into your system transdermally you would probably have crummy results. To give your self prespective Test Base has a molecular weight of 288.
Anyway I found that the ideal way to strip ester from Test Prop crystals (without EB) in them is as follows.
1. dissolve crystals in 30 cc methenol (heet) per each gram of crystals used
2. In a seperate small glass container dissolve .5 grams of NAOH per each gram of crystals used.
3. In this second small glass container Add 10 cc of distilled water per each .5 grams of NAOH used. In other words if you were converting 2 grams of Test Prop crystals you should be adding 1 gram of NAOH and 20 cc of distilled water
4. Add the super saturated NAOH solution to the heet/test prop solution, and weight exactly 2 hours / 120 minutes. Any more time any your crystals will turn yellow and you will lose test base yield. Less time means you won't convert all of your test prop to test base.
5. Drip wise add water to the solution, adding water more slowly creates better crystals, that are easier to filter.
6. Filter this via coffee filter and rinse with Distilled water until the rinse through water has the same PH as the distilled water. I don't trust PH strips, I prefer a PH meter but I can imagine most people don't have one lying around. Since you are only using this as a transdermal you only have to get it close enough not to create skin irritation.
7. Dry the crystals, if you are unsure if the conversion worked you can test the melting point, if it is above 145 C then you have stripped the ester. If you are still hovering in the 120 - 125 C range you still have Test Prop.
The conversion should yield around 70% of the Test Prop weight. Remember that test base only weights 83% of what test prop does so if you conversion is above 75% you probably have some ester still left on the test.
The good news is that test prop will get through the skin too,(molecular weight of 344) just not as well, and according to the research on rats I have seen the prop ester won't make it through the skin, so the dose will be test base.
I think a scale is absolutly necessary to do this correctly, you can get some decent cheap plastic portable beam scales at american scientific and surplus
American Science & Surplus: Incredible Stuff at Unbelievable Prices if you don't want to spring for a digital.
