What Gel to use
- 03-10-2003, 08:39 AM
What Gel to use
I orderd 30 grams of longjack from http://www.herbal-powers.com/lj10expow.html. So what I want to do is make a transdermal with it. I would love to use the BDC Gel but I'm from Canada and as you know BDC is not shipping here.
What Avant Gel would you use there's the PH Gel which is much more expensive and Lipo Gel.
Another thing this product is 99% water soluble and I am assuming that it will absorb for effeciently than say 1test or 4ad. Your best guess what kind of absorbancy rate are we talking about.
I am thinking that this might be a great post cycle recovery brew.
- 03-10-2003, 05:53 PM
the only reason you would put it into a transdermal is if the oral bioavalibility is less than that of the transdermal(40%)... Do you know what it is... This is the reason we don't put the 1,4 in transdermal... Talk to ya..
03-10-2003, 05:54 PM
03-10-2003, 07:22 PM
03-10-2003, 07:27 PM
03-11-2003, 08:28 AM
Here is what I have so far.
I will need to consult my scientists on the exact percentage. However as
they are based in Malaysia, which is currently on holiday, I may not have an
answer for a few days.
As for transdermal delivery, we've not tested the product for this.
However, my initial answer is that it may be. This is because our
experience in handling the product (raw LJ100 powder) has shown that it does
in fact absorb into the skin if you are not wearing protection. We think
that its 99% water solubility also helps the powder permeate into the skin.
A word of caution from personal experience. If you are not a professional
in handling transdermal delivery, we would suggest you consult someone. My
own experience has been that at the point of entry (my hands) there is a
minor achiness that can occur, particularly with higher doses (since the
dose is 50mg for women, everything is a high dose for me; for men some can
find as little as 100mg to be the right dose). It lasts for maybe ten
minutes or more. However, you do feel that the LJ100 is in your system and
I hope this helps.
03-11-2003, 08:55 AM
03-11-2003, 11:33 AM
Achiness. WHo cares.. Let here try putting on 300mg of 1-test with a transdermal with DMSO in it.. hehehe. Talk to ya...
PS I did not realize it was just a powder. It will probably work in the transdermal... But still wait for the oral bioavalibility...
03-11-2003, 11:41 AM
Yes Curt it's a very strong refined extract hence the high price. I got a feeling about this. As a raw powder is only 1% water soluble TJ100 is 99%.
03-11-2003, 12:27 PM
Water soluable is not a big deal... The gell has no water in it.. Most things are soluable in alcohol.. hehehe... Talk to ya..
03-11-2003, 01:04 PM
03-11-2003, 01:08 PM
03-17-2003, 12:19 PM
Here is the latest from them:
Yes. Unfortunately, the work that was done on bioavailability was
inconclusive. I have also included our scientist's comments on transfermal
delivery. Please note that this may not be their specialty and a chemist
that works specifically with transdermal delivery may give a different
We have done some bioavailability sometime ago , but the data tended to be
inconsistence; probably (because at that time) we have not established the
marker compound. Hence I
would not be able to answer your question now.
Most compounds that are to be transdermally delivery are hydrophorbic or
hydrophobic in nature i.e they should be soluble in lipid. Based on the
hydrophorbic nature of the extract it would not be the best way to
deliver it transdemally. The molecules are small enough. So far not much
been done on this.
Please let me know if you have further questions.
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