[fast89lx]

I was mixing up some 4ad with some iso alcohol and it got hard and crusty like.... what the hell just happened?
From what I have read, you mix some iso alcohol in with the 4ad to get it paste like then add phlojel to make your 'dermal. Well like I said, I measured out my 4ad, added the iso and before I could finish mixing it, it got crusty and hard... what did I do wrong?

[fast89lx]

I think I got it, I added some more iso until it got pasty, wound up having to use 10 ml all total... loaded it into the 60ml syringe and its sitting at ~55ml

On the other hand I mixed up some 1t after that and while I used LESS alcohol (6g) it came out thinner than the 4ad as I was loading it into the syringe (not paying the best of attention) it was running down to the bottom, basically after I got all of it in, I have a damned air bubble in the middle of the syringe and I could barely get the plunger in. I probably lost 2ml putting it in...

Oh well, first time doing this was bound to be a learning experience.

[Salem]

Originally Posted by fast89lx

I think I got it, I added some more iso until it got pasty, wound up having to use 10 ml all total... loaded it into the 60ml syringe and its sitting at ~55ml

On the other hand I mixed up some 1t after that and while I used LESS alcohol (6g) it came out thinner than the 4ad as I was loading it into the syringe (not paying the best of attention) it was running down to the bottom, basically after I got all of it in, I have a damned air bubble in the middle of the syringe and I could barely get the plunger in. I probably lost 2ml putting it in...

Oh well, first time doing this was bound to be a learning experience.

I lose more some time. First time i only got 49 left in my syringe. When I mix 9g 4AD, I have to use more than 10ml iso.
If you put your paste into the phlojel too early, it will never dissolve completely.
I read some threads that said to use the blade to cut powder before mix it into iso. I will try next time. Don't know what gonna happen.
Also, have the air bubble. God! I have the syring standing for a whole day (maybe longer than that)until the air raise to the top, and then push it out.
The processing is very tough . I am thinking if it is worth to do that.

[former_SlimJim]

Yeah the air bubble can be hard to get out. I've learned to put my finger over the tip and tap the syringe between each scoop I put in. I make sure there is no air pockets as I load it. If I get one I get it out before going any farther. Once all the PJU is in, I just start the plunger in a tiny bit and I turn the syringe so the tip is pointing up at about a 45 degree angle. Then I tap it with a spoon until the big air bubble is at the tip end so I can push it out. Turns out perfect with no mess.

[fast89lx]

Well, in addition to the damned air bubble, I guess I didn't put in enough alcohol or pju (I measured it... maybe the scale is off a bit, who knows) and both the 1t and 4ad is a little grainy, ok the 4ad is a LOT grainy. I had to take all the stuff OUT of the syringes and put it into ziplocs, cut off a corner and squeeze it out of that onto the scale to measure it because the grains wouldn't come out of the syringe tip.

I now have those bags inside of another bag to keep air out, hopefully it won't get all crusty and go to **** on me. This has been an extreme learning experience.

[Salem]

Originally Posted by fast89lx

Well, in addition to the damned air bubble, I guess I didn't put in enough alcohol or pju (I measured it... maybe the scale is off a bit, who knows) and both the 1t and 4ad is a little grainy, ok the 4ad is a LOT grainy. I had to take all the stuff OUT of the syringes and put it into ziplocs, cut off a corner and squeeze it out of that onto the scale to measure it because the grains wouldn't come out of the syringe tip.

I now have those bags inside of another bag to keep air out, hopefully it won't get all crusty and go to **** on me. This has been an extreme learning experience.

beside the bubble, once your got the grainy in your jel, it would never dissolve completely.I've tried a lot of ways try to dissolve them. heat, grind....Finally, I knew I waste half day on it.

[former_SlimJim]

Originally Posted by fast89lx

Well, in addition to the damned air bubble, I guess I didn't put in enough alcohol or pju (I measured it... maybe the scale is off a bit, who knows) and both the 1t and 4ad is a little grainy, ok the 4ad is a LOT grainy. I had to take all the stuff OUT of the syringes and put it into ziplocs, cut off a corner and squeeze it out of that onto the scale to measure it because the grains wouldn't come out of the syringe tip.

I now have those bags inside of another bag to keep air out, hopefully it won't get all crusty and go to **** on me. This has been an extreme learning experience.

The first batch I made was very grainy. I didn't use any solvent and it was more like silica sand in mayonnaise. It wasn't a total loss though. There isn't anything that I know of that you can add at this point - they don't disolve either no matter how long you wait. If you have a mortar and pestal, grind the crap out of it a little bit at a time. That's what I did and it broke down most of the large clumps. I ended up dispensing it out of a 4 ounce Mason jelly jar using a small measuring spoon. A teaspoon is approximately 5 ml. I probably could of put it in a syringe after the grind. It seemed to work fine even though there was still an occasional stone in the mix.

[fast89lx]

Well so far so good, its keeping well. The 1t is rubbing in pretty well, couple of grains leftover but not ANYWHERE near as bad as the 4ad lol, I don't know how much I am losing but I can imagine its probably a lot

One thing that SEEMS to help (probably in my head but who cares if it makes me feel better) is that after I apply the 4ad and rub it in as much as I can, I rub in a liberal amount of skin moisturising lotion, it seems to help dissolve a little more of the grains...