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| Registered User | making 4ad transdermal out of caps I need some help. I have some4ad caps that I would like to convert to transdermal. I have searched for an answer and the only thread I found on this concluded that it was not worth trying to convert and that it would be better to go buy powder. However, since we are post ban and on top of that I live in Canada, that option is not available :-( Here is a list of the fillers ergopharm puts in its androdiol select 300 4ad caps: gelatin modified cornstarch magnesium stearate silica Do you guys think I can just empty the caps into a transdermal solution and apply it on my skin. Now I imagine that some of the fillers would not dissolve but does that really matter? If worse comes to worse I will just wipe the residue off my skin 2 hours later or so... I would really appreciate any input/thoughts/experiences regarding this. Thanks! |
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| Registered User | It would'nt work with just dumping the caps in a t/d matrix. You would have to strip the fillers, and I have no idea how to do that sorry. I imagine it's just not worth it. |
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| Registered User | Why wouldn' t it work? Do the fillers make the the PH completly unabsorbable through the skin??? And if it really could not work, does anyone have any ideas on how to remove the fillers? It is worth it to me because being in post ban + living in Canada, it is quite difficult to get 4ad powder these days. |
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| Board Supporter | Why not just take it in the oral form? Take a higher dose so it will be more effective. |
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| Registered User | I know I could but it would not be as effective. If I had free and easy access to the stuff I would just take it orally but since that is not the case I want to maximize what I have... |
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| Registered User | is there a definative answer to this question? i am in the same boat and i was wondering, only mine is sci fit 4ad |
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| Registered User | I desolved my capped 4ad in acetone (e.g. most nail polish removers) then I filtered it through coffee filters which got rid of all the fillers and crap that was capped with it. The acetone acts as a solvent desolving the 4ad or something along those lines. I then left the filtered acetone to evaporate, I also speeded up this prosess by lightly heating it. I emphasise lightly as acetone is flamable. You should be left with crystals which is your pure 4ad. I added this to a nor transdermal and bang I was good to go. I also had a nice high end product, I used about 2g of 4ad in caps and got about 1.5-1.8g of 4ad. It could of been more if I didnt spill a little here and there lol. |
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| Registered User | I don't think the ergopharm caps have all that much filler. I emptied one out and compared it to some 4ad I got from BN and the consistency and color were not distinguishable. You could also weigh the powder on a high quality scale, and see how much over 300mg you go. IMO if that is all you can get, go for it. It is better than taking it orally. |
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| Registered User | yea it works, did it myself and got myself a nice amount of pure 4ad from it. The acetone desolves the 4ad leaving the fillers which you can filter out. You are then left with acetone with your compound desolved in it. Acetone will evaporate over a period of time or you can heat it LIGHTLY (its flamable) it will then leave you with pure crystallised 4ad. Ive added mine to a norderm solution, they went in nicely. BigJoe |
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| Peanut Butter Cult Special Agent | I think bigjoe's method would be best, but I'd probably blow up the house or something. So for me, I'd just dump the powder of 1 cap in some t/d gel in my hand and smear it on for 300mg which I'd do 2X/day, or possibly 3 caps/day for 900mg/day t/d. The 4AD should absorb, and the filler should flake off pretty much. Not very sophisticated I know, but simple. "I always keep a supply of stimulant handy, in case I see a snake, which I also keep handy..." -W.C. Fields |
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| Registered User | lol Hey bigjoe sofar didn't notice you were that old. 75 and still homebrowing? ![]() |
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| Registered User | lol not my real age, I just selected anything when I sorted my CP out. haha. BigJoe |
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| IBE's Super Pooper Board Sponsor | do you guys think this would work for some of the other Phs we have now like prostanozol in order to make i t more effective? i just figure that since its not methylated that a tremendous amount of the active ingredients are digested and dont make it through to were it needs to go and if it were to be administered transdermally that it would yeild a higher level of potency... any opinions on this? do you suppose that it could be done thae same as 4-ad big joe? Cali-RollDEEP Crew 90% dedication-10% supplementation Trauma1 and Poopypants team up for a PP/1-T and Epi/1-T log! Poops Epi log/Poops Prime Log |
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| Registered User | Maybe, works for 4ad so unless the prostanzolol is gonna somehow become damaged if it comes in contact with acetone, it should work. Both 4ad and prostanzolol are basically hormone powders mixed with filler, the acetone just desolves the good stuff leaving the filler to be filtered out. I would definitly give it a go, I am no expert but it works for 4ad and the benifits for the trans far supass the effects of an oral from my understanding. Give it a go, post your results. BigJoe |
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| IBE's Super Pooper Board Sponsor | Quote:
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