I'm looking for feedback from members who have tried this. Any feedback?
Im using it with 4AD, approx. 150mg/ml. Works well, just a bitch to compound and put into a pump bottle. Better have some 90% Isopropyl Alch on hand to make it runny enough to go through the pump if going that way. All in all though, definitely worth it, good absorbtion.
Wondering what you put it in and how but 4ad is not the most difficult
thing to put in.
Some of your questions might be answered in this thread:
Buc-- triceptor says he puts the phlojel into a large syringe (60ml) and measures it out that way. Others put it in some kind of jar and weigh each dose (1ml phlojel weighs about 1g).
I reused a t-gel bottle and pump, kinda messy, but works well.
ok I've been looking for someone who has experience with both dermal gels. So what do you think comparing phlojel to t-gel?
J_Man: Check my link in message 4. Also, we may see more testimonials comparing these products that phlojel is easier to find in a $20 jar.
yeah thanks bro but I've already read that entire thread, from when you posted it here somewhere else. and I also asked the same question in that thread but got no response.
I've asked the question before too. Triceptor has an opinion about this, but no one seems to have reported a first hand comparison of both products. The best you can do is to look at phlojel's usage in the medical community and come up with bioavailability numbers from that.
yep I'm looking up info about it, But since Brock said he used an old t-gel botle to put his phlojel in; I think it's a pretty safe assumption that he's used both. Brock? input?
Honestly, I liked them both. I could tell a distinct difference with the phlojel since I used the same amounts of 4AD applied a day and I bloated more on the phlojel than T-gel. I think the absorbtion rate of the phlojel is definitely higher because of this bloating, maybe around 15-20% I would guess. The T-gel is easier to compound, but the phlojel dried faster and didnt run as much as the t-gel when I did sweat. I bought a 450g jar for $60, and at an average of 120ml in T-gel bottles, it should last 3.5 bottles or around there. If I had to choose between the two, I would go with the phlojel again, but thats me.
Hmm... I think you can get more than 3.5 bottles out of it. Triceptor came up something like 62g 4AD in jar of phlojel (450g).
90g in a 450g tub (200mg/ml), which would be equivalent to 6 bottles of T-Gel (50mg/ml)
IMHO you will get a much higher delivery rate without all the alcohol. I agree, PJU is a bit of a bitch to compound. The traditional squirt bottle transdermals are much easier. Just add powder and shake. However, I believe if you give it a try you will find even better results with the batch being thicker. My favorite TD batch is 150mg 4AD/ 50mg 4OHT per ml. You will need a 60ml syringe. Tkae 9g of 4AD and 3g of 4OHT in a concave bowl or mortar. Add 3 to 5 ml of ethyl and levigate with a pestal or spatula and be sure to break down the 4OHT as the 4AD will blend easily into the ethyl. Once you have a paste weigh out the balance of PJU to make up the 60ml. So if you used 4ml of ethyl and you have a total of 12g of powder, you will need 44ml of PJU. PJU is almost 1:1 ratio of volume to weight. 1ml of PJU weighs 1.01g, so weight out 43.5g of PJU and add it to your paste in equal portions. Blend well and thoroughly. Once completed, open a new 60ml syringe, pull the plunger out and load the batch into the back with a spatula. Let it sit overnight.Originally Posted by Brock Landers
When you add more than 10% alcohol in an effort to make it more towards a liquid you are reducing the lecithins ability to suround the drug. The way a lecithin based organogel works is the lecithin encapsulates the drug in a circle of molecules. It disrupts the cells of the stratum korneum and carries the drug in along with itself sort of like a trojan horse. I realize it's a pain in the ass to compound, but I promise you get better results. Also, as Strateg0s has pointed out, shower, scrub the area and shave any hair. I also like to take a little niacin right before I go to train in an effort to get more of the drug into my system. The niacin flush open small blood pathways that scavange the drug deposited right beneath the skin by the transdermal. I call it my transdermal turbo charge.
I mix a batch of some type of TD very regularly. I can bang out a batch of TD starting with a raw powder in about 15 minutes real time. Once you have it down, its very quick. Having the right tools helps.
How much niacin are you taking for this purpose? Thanks.
200mg usually gives me a niacin flush. If you've never taken niacin in larger than 50mg doses before, you may want to start out at 100mg and work your way up. High doses of niacin causes severe itching if you're not accoustomed to it. It only last for about 15 minutes.Originally Posted by rrgg
Thanks guys. Great thread so far ! !
anyone ever use these guys?
I'm probably going to use Plogel for my upcoming cycle. It was stated that if frozen it will separate and will not be able to go back into solution. If it is shipped in the winter, wouldn't it freeze? Any comments?