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    i like this forum a lot. right now it seems mainly to contain info on transdermal prohormones and yohimbine hcl. i'd like to see more receipts for homemade supplements, so i'm posting this NO2 post from bb.com, originally posted by icex999 (there's about 5 pages of thread concerning this on bb.com).

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    NO2:

    Per Container: 60
    Serving Size 3 Caplets
    Amount Per Serving
    Arginine alpha-Ketoglutarate 3000 mg

    Inactive Ingredients:
    MRI's exclusive pHyser3 delivery system formulation consists of calcium phosphate, cellulose ethers and composites, and magnesium steartate.

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    All the supplement really is the amino acid arginine.

    This seems remarkably familiar to the story we all know too well, of ZMA - the overpriced mineral combo.


    What about the magical pHyser3 delivery system? Here's MRI says about it:


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    The secret of the continuous surge of blood lies in NO2's exclusive nitric oxide extended-release delivery system pHyser3?

    Until the creation of extended-release delivery system, generating and maintaining nitric oxide levels was impossible. The body literally "dissolved" any agent or substance that could help generate nitric oxide inside the body. Now, with NO2's pH-corrected, body-compatible delivery system, the human body is able to fully "accept" the nitric oxide delivery agent. And even better...

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    Most of that is pure crap. How would Viagra work if this were true? Viagra works by increasing Nitric Oxide levels in the body. However, not all of the MRI (the makers of NO2) claims are false. The stomach's PH levels can interfere with the process. Viagra took care of this by adding a citrate to their product (viagra = sildenafil citrate).

    And anyways, the ingredients they used are all common fillers found in most bargain brand vitamins.


    I find it funny, the way they call their delivery 'pHyser3', and the maker of Viagra is Pfizer (same pronunciation).


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    So i've told you how overpriced NO2 is, but I also told you that there are positive responses for the stuff. Quite the dilemma, eh? Well, not to worry amigos, because I have the answer: A HOMEMADE NO2.

    How are we going to homemake this stuff you ask? Well, we have two things to look at. First, the arginine.

    So far, the cheapest yet highest quality argnine i've found is the one made by a company called "Now". They come in 120 capsule bottles of 1000 mg. arginine caps.

    To achieve the doseage of NO2, you would have to take 3 tablets of this stuff twice daily, so that's 6 caps per day. This stuff comes in a 120 cap. bottle, so that's a 20 day supply. But NO2 comes in a 30 day supply! Oh no. You have to buy two bottles of Now's arginine. The cheapest I've seen this stuff go for is $10.77 per bottle. So for a one month supply, you spend a little more than $15, and you still have 60 caps left over.
    (Note - bodybuilding.com doesn't sell the stuff made by now, but they do have 500 mg. caps made by ultimate nutrition - http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/un/argini.html

    w w w . s u p p l e m e n t d i r e c t . c o m sells the now one. be sure to take out those spaces, else the link won't work)


    Next, the 'delivery' system. The best way to take care of this is to take your arginine with a glass of OJ. The OJ will adjust your stomach pH levels to the levels they need to be at, and the sugar will help raise insulin levels with will increase the argnine uptake.


    Voila! The "magic" of NO2, at 1/3rd the price!!!



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    Look for more 'exposed' articles in the future.

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    thats cool and all except....


    Nobody seems to get that N02 is not plain L-Arginine it is Arginine AKG. HELLO!!! read the damn label,its right there!

    Number 5 I'm not flaming you or anything remotely close to that, it's just that EVERYBODY thinks that L-arginine and Aginine AKG are the same thing, AND THEY'RE NOT!

    (alpha Ketoglucarate and that stuff is expensive 1000g for about $170 on kilosports)

    of you but the REAL arginine AKG 1000g will last you 166.6 days, or 5.5 months @ 6g/day

    5.5 months of N02 will cost you (@$65 per bottle) $357.50
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    Re: thats cool and all except....


    Originally posted by Lifeguard
    Nobody seems to get that N02 is not plain L-Arginine it is Arginine AKG. HELLO!!! read the damn label,its right there!

    Number 5 I'm not flaming you or anything remotely close to that, it's just that EVERYBODY thinks that L-arginine and Aginine AKG are the same thing, AND THEY'RE NOT!

    (alpha Ketoglucarate and that stuff is expensive 1000g for about $170 on kilosports)

    of you but the REAL arginine AKG 1000g will last you 166.6 days, or 5.5 months @ 6g/day

    5.5 months of N02 will cost you (@$65 per bottle) $357.50
    Yeah I pointed that out on bb.com but my post was overlooked. I dont know how much of a difference there will be in Arginine and Arginine AKG but i am sure that MRI chose to use the more expensive material for a reason.
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    yeah I said it on BB.com too, a couple of times on different N02 threads and it just didn't seem to sink in
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    Originally posted by Lifeguard
    yeah I said it on BB.com too, a couple of times on different N02 threads and it just didn't seem to sink in
    No. Say it aint so. It didn't sink in at bb.com? But I thought 70% of the members had phd's in Nuclear Physics

    I know I shouldn't be so snide. I have learned a tremendous amount from some smart bros at bb.com. It just seems that as of late the mean IQ has dropped at least 40 points.
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    Originally posted by bow


    It just seems that as of late the mean IQ has dropped at least 40 points.

    Yeah, really...
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    Between this board, the avant labs board and gotfina, I barely visit bb.com. It is still a good resource when you need to search for info on something, due to the huge volume of posts, but who needs to hear about creatine any more?
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    Indeed it has become more of a hangout for the less experienced, and a social gathering more than anything else for those with more lifting under their belts.
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    Re: thats cool and all except....


    Originally posted by Lifeguard
    Nobody seems to get that N02 is not plain L-Arginine it is Arginine AKG. HELLO!!! read the damn label,its right there!

    Number 5 I'm not flaming you or anything remotely close to that, it's just that EVERYBODY thinks that L-arginine and Aginine AKG are the same thing, AND THEY'RE NOT!
    that's good info. this is why i like this board. i skimmed the bb.com thread of this before but people were mainly just saying how great this is (homemade no2). it's a good thing i know better now...

    anyway, i'd like to see more homemade versions of products that work. but i guess there are only a handful that do...

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    What's the skinny, then? Is the Arginine AKG worth the $$$?
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    I'm just wondering if the delivery system is really as simple as plain ol' OJ.
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    Originally posted by Supa Freek 420
    I'm just wondering if the delivery system is really as simple as plain ol' OJ.
    could be .... until we uncover some sort of solid research to prove otherwise.
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    what are your guys' expereinces with NO2? Anybody on it?
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    Originally posted by skazzel
    Between this board, the avant labs board and gotfina, I barely visit bb.com. It is still a good resource when you need to search for info on something, due to the huge volume of posts, but who needs to hear about creatine any more?
    same here man. this board mainly now and a few others, bb i go few times just to check my pm's. personally, i think this board is for a different crowd anyways. (people thats a bit more advanced in their knowledge and/or looking for information to help get there) as for a homemade no2 , a dude is supping it now but havent heard of his views. maybe ill find out how he feels to see if its along the same lines of this current thread.
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    Originally posted by ChaseRoy
    what are your guys' expereinces with NO2? Anybody on it?
    I'm using V-12 by SANN. It contains Arginine AKG and I like it a lot. Gives me very nice pumps. I've tried this and swole and I like V-12 much better. Hope this helps.
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    If the thread is read thoroughly, I think you'll find that we know regular L-arginine is not the same as AKG, rather the question is can we get the same results as AKG from larger doses of L-arginine with an alternate PH buffer. The latest idea was diet soda oddly enough. I plan on trying OJ spearately from diet soda to see if there is a difference.
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    Originally posted by jweave23
    .....rather the question is can we get the same results as AKG from larger doses of L-arginine with an alternate PH buffer.
    I have ordered "Buffered Arginine" from BAC and am going to run it after my present cycle.  I am going to take 10 grams per day split into two doses.  Hopefully (and I am skeptical) it will help me maintain some of my gains.
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