[knox]

just a quick question. i recently bought a 4oz transport matrix and was hoping to mix in 12g of 1,4 andro and i'm not real confident that it will mix well. also, is it possible to add 6g of 1-Test to a BIG 1 by dermabolics? thanks.

knox

[SCORPIO]

Originally Posted by knox

just a quick question. i recently bought a 4oz transport matrix and was hoping to mix in 12g of 1,4 andro and i'm not real confident that it will mix well. also, is it possible to add 6g of 1-Test to a BIG 1 by dermabolics? thanks.
knox

I don't know how many grams you can get into your trans matrix, but if it's just 4oz it's prolly only 10gr max....not to sure on that. I can tell you that 1,4 andro mixes well...easily...and clear as far as homebrew recipie is concerned. I easily got 15gr into 240ml homebrew solution.....hot water bath and a shake
......it was crystal clear, no probs.

It might be possible to add 1-test to Big 1....go to the forums at 1fast or avant....they should have the answer there. Hope that helps.

[knox]

scorpio, i really appreciate your reply. i will go ahead and try mixing the 12g into the transport matrix. i will post the results. thanks again.

knox

[Sgt. Ownage]

Why not just go oral with the 1,4 andro and save yourself the hassle of rubbing on a transdermal, and possibly recover more orally than transdermally?

[knox]

the rubbing will be a hassle but i want the better absorption and plus the price is cheaper.

[Sgt. Ownage]

Originally Posted by knox

the rubbing will be a hassle but i want the better absorption and plus the price is cheaper.

Transdermal Absortion ~40%
Oral Availability of 1,4 andro ~45%

[knox]

why is the absorbtion rate of 1,4 andro different compared to other transdermals? i was always told transdermal absorbtion is higher compared to an orally taken supplement since it enters the blood stream quicker.

[EricForman]

Originally Posted by knox

why is the absorbtion rate of 1,4 andro different compared to other transdermals? i was always told transdermal absorbtion is higher compared to an orally taken supplement since it enters the blood stream quicker.

Yes, your statement above is correct!

[cookmic5]

methylated androgens and 1,4andro are the exceptions to the rule.

[Ichi the Killer]

Transdermal Absortion ~40%
Oral Availability of 1,4 andro ~45%

So, the question is, that correct? i just cant see how it would be.

[knox]

Originally Posted by cookmic5

methylated androgens and 1,4andro are the exceptions to the rule.

can you please explain this rule to me or maybe a link where i can find this. thanks.

[cookmic5]

"Generally," transdermals yield a higher absorbtion of the androgen because orally the substance is broken down by the liver before it can get into the bloodstream. However, with certain substances, i.e. methylated, the ability to bypass the liver and make it to the bloodstream is better. So, putting a methylated substance into a transdermal solution is a complete waste since the absorbtion is above 90% orally.

1,4andro is not methylated though, and it has been debated back and forth whether it is worth it to put it into a transdermal. General consensus seems to say it's best orally:

http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...ght=1%2C4andro

Others, however, say it can be used effectively transderamaly. Run a search, I believe a board member named DDD was an advocate of transdermal 1,4andro. The conversions posted above do seem to be consistently supported and cited... whether that makes them true I don't know.

cm5

[Sgt. Ownage]

If the absorption rate is so debatable, the hassle of applying a transdermal should sway you toward oral 1,4 andro.

[knox]

thanks for the information cookmic5. this does make a logical reason to use the oral over the dermal. do any of you have a preference of a particular oral 1,4 andro?

[knox]

BTW, i already have 12g of 1,4 andro. could i make my own oral version by putting the powder in some capsules?

[cookmic5]

Originally Posted by Sgt. Ownage

If the absorption rate is so debatable, the hassle of applying a transdermal should sway you toward oral 1,4 andro.

Unless of course you are already using something else in a transdermal and can just add the 1,4andro into the solution(s).

[cookmic5]

Originally Posted by knox

BTW, i already have 12g of 1,4 andro. could i make my own oral version by putting the powder in some capsules?

yes, you can buy a capping machine (I believe 1fast has them) and caps (I know 1fast has them) and make your own caps... I don't know how frustrating this maybe however as I've never had cause to do it.

cm5

[knox]

i was going to stack 12g of 1,4 andro dermal with a Big1 w/ 6g of 1-Test added to it, 2 bottles of 1-T estergels by molecular to total around 600mg of 1-Test and 400-600mg of 1,4 andro for 40 days. i bought a transport matrix to hold the 1,4 andro. but, if i can get the 1,4 andro into some capsules then i could use the transport matrix for something else, possibly 4ad. i could see myself getting quite frustrated trying to cap my own orals. is this tho only option to take it orally?

[Sir Foxx]

Make a solution. So much easier than capping.

[Sgt. Ownage]

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