LegalGear Topicals - What would you like to see?
- 10-26-2009, 08:39 AM
LegalGear Topicals - What would you like to see?
We have 7-Keto DHEA, 7-Keto Etiocholanolone (which is a stronger version of 7-KETO-DHEA and we are expecting a patent on that), Etiocholanolone (which is the 5b-version of DHEA, non-androgenic and provides 4x the body recomp effects of DHEA), ATD and a few others like ecdy etc...
- 10-27-2009, 11:27 AM
- 10-27-2009, 11:39 AM
10-27-2009, 01:34 PM
10-27-2009, 02:18 PM
Both look pretty tasty.
10-27-2009, 06:31 PM
Does Formestane have a smell? I will have to see what else we have going. I think to start it's going to be a 50/50 mix of 7-Keto DHEA and 7-Keto-etiocholanolone
10-27-2009, 06:44 PM
10-30-2009, 07:46 AM
Etiocholanolone sounds interesting, anything that positively effects body comp. How about td 4-dhea? 1-dhea orally seems ok at high doses 800mgs per day, but 4-dhea doesnt seem to be as strong and I am not sold on the utt, maybe I am just too set in my ways, but td, orally, or injects have been the only way for me, nothing fancy. Its old counterpart 4-ad was much better td, could it be the case for this? We really neeeeeeddddd a ph to test to run for 8 weeks or so.
10-30-2009, 03:34 PM
10-30-2009, 04:08 PM
This the new compound that's PA is in development for a new form of 7-oxo with superior oral bioavility and tremendous fat loss potential?
10-31-2009, 11:40 AM
11-02-2009, 06:05 AM
Trans Ecdy; Ikeep looking into that from time to time but I think I find it can't be done (or it's weight is too high, or something :P)
BUT; that sounds like a winner if you pull it off
11-03-2009, 01:53 PM
No, it can certainly be done. I was thinking of the trans ecdy and ecdy polyacetate which should yield better release times
11-08-2009, 05:30 PM
topical ATD, I used the stuff by dermabolics and really had some solid gains with it. I imagine the stuff put out by LG would only be better. I`m looking to use formestane sometime in the new year, if you can make something interesting, I`d maybe look into that as well.
11-09-2009, 04:06 PM
11-09-2009, 08:22 PM
Etiocholanolone isn't going to have 4-AD effects, but the combo of MMv2 and DHEA would have a very good 4-AD effect...
11-10-2009, 01:10 AM
11-10-2009, 09:02 AM
11-10-2009, 09:12 AM
no offense to pp here, but the 1-t product from them was weak and the transdermal delivery made it difficult to properly dose. If this were to be done with todays 1-dhea, and other dhea analogue products, seperate transdermals would definitely be better, dosages need to be higher. Everyone agrees that these products are not as strong, but no one wants to dose them higher than the originals, doesnt make sense. No bash on the compounds, as I actually really like 1-dhea, and mmv2 compound sounds great and in my opinion, these are two great example of what ph's should be.
11-10-2009, 02:33 PM
11-10-2009, 03:09 PM
11-10-2009, 05:10 PM
11-10-2009, 05:12 PM
11-12-2009, 08:51 PM
Hum, but wouldn't we need a high dosage do to the loss caused by the absorption ratio, and the one from the various convertions that 1-DHEA would had?
11-13-2009, 01:40 PM
11-13-2009, 08:18 PM
11-13-2009, 09:09 PM
Why would you need a methylation in a topical product? It will just worse the possibility of absorption because of the molecular weight of the methyl group.
11-14-2009, 04:37 PM
11-14-2009, 06:29 PM
11-15-2009, 06:09 PM
11-23-2009, 04:51 AM
11-23-2009, 09:37 PM
11-23-2009, 10:13 PM
11-30-2009, 07:17 PM
12-01-2009, 05:23 PM
hmmmm, as long as we are wishing
2-methyl-retro-testosterone, retro-androstanediol and 2-oxymethylene-retro-testosterone
The Dutch were able to make retro-anabolics because they were in possession of a natural substance with this kind of Z-structure. Reading the patent, this turns out to be lumista-4,22-dien-3-one. The researchers used this component to build dozens of retro-analogues of anabolic steroids known at the time.
For example, they made a retro-form of methandienone, but this was not an interesting compound. Dianabol is a steroid that has no progesterone effect and in low doses doesn’t inhibit the natural production of testosterone. Retro-dianabol is also anabolic, does have a considerable progesterone effect and inhibits the body’s own production of testosterone.
Most of the hormones that the Dutch researchers made were anti-hormones. And most had a much weaker effect than the regular analogues. But in the table on page 106 there are three anabolic steroids listed that might have been pretty interesting.
The three retro-anabolic steroids had an anabolic effect but not an androgenic effect, and had few other side effects. They were compounds 28, 49 and 66: 2-methyl-retro-testosterone, retro-androstanediol and 2-oxymethylene-retro-testosterone.
As far as we know, retro-anabolic steroids have never made it onto the market. The company that the Dutch worked for, Duphar based in Weesp, probably directed its attention in a different direction and never did anything with the anabolic steroids.
12-01-2009, 09:12 PM
12-04-2009, 08:07 PM
First we must know how anabolic they are (we don't care about substances that are less anabolic than Promagnon and don't even have androgenic hability on the market), if they are effective in-vivo, and then if they are possible to use transdermaly or on pill form, because if they were that good they should have been the first ones to apear on the 2nd generation of designers.
12-14-2009, 05:52 PM
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