[Rock Lee]

Where can I find instructions (and ingredients needed) to make a homebrew transdermal 4-AD out of the powder form?

I asked on the BB.com message boards and was directed to come here and ask.

Thanks.

[candle25]

Lol, at least they sent you to the right place. Here are your options:
1) Go to Power Nutrition and have them mix the powder in the gel for you just like you want it.
2) Order T gel and the 4AD powder from Power Nutrition and mix it yourself.
...and if you really want to homebrew...
3) Go to http://lemelange.com/body_builder_supplies.htm and buy the following:
40% of ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL (99%) OR EHTANOL(C1-C4 ALCOHOL)
15% of ISOPROPYL MIRISTRATE
15% of ISOPROPYL PALMITATE
10% of OLEIC ACID
10% of PROPYLENE GLYCOL
10% of DMSO (99%)

Then order your powder from Power Nutrition and mix it accordingly.

[Abquest]

Hey Candle25...
Read your post and it was just what I was hunting for... problem is... (for one I'm just thick), but if you went with option 2 and mixed your 4AD with the Tgel... say... 10grams, how would you know your dose?

I bought some dermal 4AD from 1fast400 and it was great.
They no longer make it (pump.. not the new spray).
Wanted to make my own with similar dose.
1.5 squirts = 50mg.

Any advice on this before I try it?
Thanks bud.

Originally Posted by candle25

Lol, at least they sent you to the right place. Here are your options:
1) Go to Power Nutrition and have them mix the powder in the gel for you just like you want it.
2) Order T gel and the 4AD powder from Power Nutrition and mix it yourself.
...and if you really want to homebrew...
3) Go to http://lemelange.com/body_builder_supplies.htm and buy the following:
40% of ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL (99%) OR EHTANOL(C1-C4 ALCOHOL)
15% of ISOPROPYL MIRISTRATE
15% of ISOPROPYL PALMITATE
10% of OLEIC ACID
10% of PROPYLENE GLYCOL
10% of DMSO (99%)

Then order your powder from Power Nutrition and mix it accordingly.

[candle25]

Ok, I think T gel comes in 120ml bottles. If you add 10g 4AD to it and assume that the delta V is 0.75 then you'd have a concentration of 78.43mg/ml. I'm not sure what one squirt of T gel is equal to in volume. Maybe someone that has used it can tell you.

[Abquest]

Originally Posted by candle25

Ok, I think T gel comes in 120ml bottles. If you add 10g 4AD to it and assume that the delta V is 0.75 then you'd have a concentration of 78.43mg/ml. I'm not sure what one squirt of T gel is equal to in volume. Maybe someone that has used it can tell you.

Perfect. The 1fast400 stuff was great! Don't understand WHY they changed. I hope to make something along the same line for myself.
I just use it to keep the libido going.... so.... if it's not a dead-on thing... I'm sure I'll be fine. I'll keep after it. Thanks Candle25

[candle25]

NP bro. Good luck with your cycle.

[Beelzebub]

I've been checking out Transport Matrix from 1fast400. Wrote the guy and he said I could fit 7-8 grams in it if the planets aligned along with a little luck. Now, my question is due to my lack of math skills, how many milligrams of 4AD would I get per dose, which is 5 sprays if I mixed in 7 grams? Or to prevent me from asking this again, what is the formula used for figuring this out? Here's a link for the product http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=820

Thanks for any help.

[candle25]

OK....

40OZ=1183ml + 7g powder= 1190ml (aprox).

40OZ/30 servings @ 5 sprays= 1.33OZ/5 sprays= 0.266OZ/spray= 7.86ml/spray

1190ml total/ 7g powder= 5.88mg/ml

So 1 spray gives: 7.86ml x 5.88mg/ml= 46.23mg (aprox)

To answer the question: 5 spray 4AD= 231.15mg

The absorption range would be 104.02mg - 115.58mg

Hope that helps bro.

[Abquest]

Well... now that that is all figured out...
(Thanks a million Candle 25... that was perfect!). ;D
I went to PN to order the TGEL... and they don't have it any more. (Out of stock and not sure when it will be back in). So...Does anyone know any other spot to buy the gel? I really don't want to make if from scratch. I'm not the domestic type.
ANY info would be great!

[Beelzebub]

I wrote PN about this and they said an order was coming in and it shouldn't be any longer than a week or two. Also, they said that T-gel will still be produced after the prohormone ban, so I stocked up on 4AD for about 2 years worth and I'll get the t-gel later. For now, I'll try the transport matrix and 4derm.

Oh, and thanks Candle for the info. Math definately wasn't my strongpoint in highschool. Physical Ed went pretty good though.

[Abquest]

Hey... Great to know. I had ordered the TGEL ... but since it was out of stock... the order got bounced. Hope they get it soon. I'm wanting to mix up some 4AD and try it with some M1T for May. LOL... I did the same thing. Stocked up large.

Thanks guys.

[skelotar]

about stocking up on the 4AD, I've read that it doesn't really last too long, so you might wanna look into that.. don't worry.. roids are illegal and people still get 'em ....

[TheManGuy]

Don't last long?? what!! what's the half life on 4ad. should be 2 years atleast in powder form.

Transdermals don't last that long but still 1 1/2 -2 years or so.

[underdog]

Originally Posted by candle25

Lol, at least they sent you to the right place. Here are your options:
1) Go to Power Nutrition and have them mix the powder in the gel for you just like you want it.
2) Order T gel and the 4AD powder from Power Nutrition and mix it yourself.
...and if you really want to homebrew...
3) Go to http://lemelange.com/body_builder_supplies.htm and buy the following:
40% of ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL (99%) OR EHTANOL(C1-C4 ALCOHOL)
15% of ISOPROPYL MIRISTRATE
15% of ISOPROPYL PALMITATE
10% of OLEIC ACID
10% of PROPYLENE GLYCOL
10% of DMSO (99%)

Then order your powder from Power Nutrition and mix it accordingly.

can you use pure grain alcohol,instead of iso?