Heated Transdermals

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  1. I think the spray gives u much better distribution. Nice thin layer over a broader area, rather than putting a clump in your hand and trying to spread it thinly.
    just my opinion.

    ...and curt2go's spray is very contained...no stray mist.

    gadzid


  2. I use an oral syringe that allows exact dosage with no overspray or loss. I use over-sized heavy surgical type gloves to rub it in good. Since they are thicker and larger they come on and off very easy and can be used for 2 weeks or so before being replaced.

    Works great and it is very evenly distributed and the gloves keep you from loosing what is absorbed and then washed off your hands. The rubber is also good for generating a little more heat as you briskly rub the areas.

  3. I like the gloves idea. Think I'll give it a try. I can't stand if I have to rub my eye after applying it. Even hours later it will still burn if you rub .
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  4. Originally posted by gadzid
    I like the gloves idea. Think I'll give it a try. I can't stand if I have to rub my eye after applying it. Even hours later it will still burn if you rub .

    Believe me, whatever you do, dont do what he just did...hehe


    But really, even when I was trying Tren-X I made the mistake washing my hands with no soap and then washing my face with no soap, my face was BURNING for like 2 hours...all before/during/and after my workout it pissed me off!

    and my brother rubbed his eyes accidentally, and he was acting like he was just nailed with some pepperspray (not fun, believe me)
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  5. Great thread and discussion...


    This is a bulletin board at its finest! You bros make me proud *sniffle*

    Curt introduced the heating method some time ago on the bb.com board and I believe in its ability to increase the absorption. How much? Maybe a few percent but this is also a few $'s...

    Heating and cooling will not affect the molecules integrity if done by hot water bath, bottle warmer (preferred for conistency), etc. Be warned that microwave heating may very well alter the molecules since the radiation affects -OH bonds (i-prop, PG, IPM, OA, and even the powders themselves all have -OH bonds). There is no temperature regulation when dealing with microwave heating...

    Now, heating a bottle (say in a bottle warmer) will increase the temperature but will cool rapidly once applied. The energy is still transferred to the skin which is a good thing since the localized increase in blood flow will aid in absorption. It is a personal preference as to whether the added inconvenience is worth it...for me it sounds like a good idea.

    Chemo

  6. Applying in a hot place, then? After a hot shower, for example, when the washroom is still hot with steam? Is the condensation bad?

  7. The steam will slow the drying time thats all. Talk to ya..

  8. Originally posted by Sean
    Applying in a hot place, then? After a hot shower, for example, when the washroom is still hot with steam? Is the condensation bad?
    The point is that warm or hot skin has increased blood flow that will help with the uptake and absorption. Whether this comes from a hot shower or warm gel the effect will be the same.

    Chemo

  9. Well, the Conair Heated Lotion Dispenser was a complete waste of money. It doesn't heat the solution hot enough, the dispenser leaks, and it dispenses 2.4 ml/squirt which is far to much to even hold in the palm of your hand.

    My next idea is a stainless steel lotion dispenser and an electric coffee hot plate.

    Its only money..........

  10. Bow be careful handling that stainless steel.. don't want you with burned hands

  11. How about a rice cooker? I've seen them for $14, and they can be filled with water to float your bottle or syringe with a single dose in.

  12. I have one. Maybe I should try?

  13. You guys are crazy. Just boil some wtare in a pot and put the bottle in. SImple and it works... Talk to ya..

  14. Originally posted by curt2go
    You guys are crazy
    Can't dispute that

    I don't want to take the time to boil water. I want something that I can hit a switch on before jumping in the shower. Get out of the shower and its ready to apply.

  15. Originally posted by curt2go
    You guys are crazy. Just boil some wtare in a pot and put the bottle in. SImple and it works... Talk to ya..

    HAHAHA LMAO!!
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  16. I don't really want to apply 212 degree lotion to my skin. Scalding tends to dry it out, and the scar tissue buildup would also lower penetration.

  17. I'm gonna have to ask my barber what machine he uses to heat his shaving cream. Works wonders, doesn't come out scolding hot, but it is fairly hot to the touch when applied to me. Could've sworn I've seen 'em in The Sharper Image and some airplane catalogs, but can't find it on the website right now.

  18. The rice cooker thing seemed not to work well. A little too hot, I think.

  19. Originally posted by Sean
    The rice cooker thing seemed not to work well. A little too hot, I think.
    I guess the cheaper ones don't have a control for the level of heat. Too bad.

    Here's an instant hot lather machine with adjustable heat: http://www.foximas.com/store/conair-heated-lather.htm

  20. *DON't* Go with the Conair Hot lather machine. All reviews/reports say it's more of a "warm lather" machine. Definitely wont heat enough.

  21. Problem with soaking it in a sink full of hot water is that the label would come off.  This may not be a prob, though.

  22. Do you really care abou tthe labels... They suck anyways..hehehehe. Just kidding... Talk to ya...

    Hey chemo the color works anyways...

     

  23. Originally posted by deaconbill
    Problem with soaking it in a sink full of hot water is that the label would come off.  This may not be a prob, though.
    To be honest, I never tested the label integrity after soaking in a hot water bath   I am currently heating mine with a bottle warmer that we used for my daughter.  It is the kind that wraps around and has velcro for closure.  It warms just enough...

    One thing I should add here is that I have noticed increased irritation with heated applications.  It would be likened to 2-3 weeks of normal temperature use.  Well see how it goes though.

    Chemo

  24. Originally posted by Big Daddy Chemo
    One thing I should add here is that I have noticed increased irritation with heated applications.  Chemo
    I wonder if that was why my skin began to peel after only 11 days?  I figured it was just the DMSO.

  25. Could it be the 1-test just becomes more irritating. Maybe and I say maybe the heating will give it more absorption than you think. ????????? Talk to ya

     

    Man I hate being a follower!!!!! But i'll heat to try it out.. Crap.hehehe ..... Talk to ya

  26. Originally posted by Big Daddy Chemo


    To be honest, I never tested the label integrity after soaking in a hot water bath   I am currently heating mine with a bottle warmer that we used for my daughter.  It is the kind that wraps around and has velcro for closure.  It warms just enough...

    One thing I should add here is that I have noticed increased irritation with heated applications.  It would be likened to 2-3 weeks of normal temperature use.  Well see how it goes though.

    Chemo
    actually got a similar warmer lying around here somewhere. good idea

  27. I am assuming that using my wife's hair dryer on my intended point of application will also increase absorption. Flesh seems to dissipate heat rather slowly when the heat is localized and sweating is not involved.

  28. is there a maximum temp that say T1pro or anyother Transdermal PH can be stored at constantly?   Im saying this, because instead of having to heat it everytime, what if you just kept it hot enough constantly?  Say keeping it by a heater or whatever.

     

    h19

  29. As long as we're not talking months at a time the constant heat should not compromise the integrity of the transdermal.

    Chemo

  30. Originally posted by Big Daddy Chemo


    To be honest, I never tested the label integrity after soaking in a hot water bath  
    Chemo
    It doesn't come off. I soaked mine and had no problem....The DMSO on the other hand?

  31. set it on top of the computer motor... That's what I do for certain things that I want to keep warm, heheh

    cheap and effective (unless you somehow manage to spill it inside the case of the monitor!)


    -Jim

  32. how old is your monitor dude...dont think it shoudl get that warm..lol

  33. the one I set it on top of is 2 months old... I guess maybe it gest hotter because it is 22 incher. It doesn't feel like that much heat comes out of the top, but if you let something sit there long enough, it gets pretty hot.
  

  
 

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