Heated Transdermals

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  1. You have to get the ph right are you using the triwhatever it is to get the ph more neutral?? Talk to ya...


  2. I would personally think that the microwave radiation would, in a way, denature the molecules of the 1-test/4-ad.

    same thing happens to proteins when exposed to electricity, radiation or extreme heat.

    JMO
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  3. Watcha think? Would it work? I wonder how much it dispenses per pump?

    http://www.shoplifestyle.com/store/p...67&********goto

  4. I don't thinl thats lotion.hahahahahahahahaha..

    Talk to ya..

  5. Am I the only guy that likes spray bottles. The are the best way.. Man I love them. give them a try .. Talk to ya..
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  6. Originally posted by bow
    Watcha think? Would it work? I wonder how much it dispenses per pump?

    http://www.shoplifestyle.com/store/p...67&********goto

    That ****'s tight!! I want one.
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  7. Originally posted by Lifeguard



    That ****'s tight!! I want one.
    I'm going to order it and give it a try.

  8. Originally posted by curt2go
    Am I the only guy that likes spray bottles. The are the best way.. Man I love them. give them a try .. Talk to ya..
    I am using a Oral Syringe to apply mine, that way you know EXACTLY how much you are getting.



    Curt

    you're green, I'm yellow...hehehaha

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  9. Originally posted by curt2go
    Am I the only guy that likes spray bottles. The are the best way.. Man I love them. give them a try .. Talk to ya..
    Yes. You damn Canadians are always trying to swim upstream.....

    I actually started transdermals back with Biotests Androsol (hey, it was all there was at the time). I didn't like it because I felt that I was spraying half of the compound to the atmosphere. So, I switched to a pump bottle and a gel.

  10. The solution without the carbomer is very thick. It does not spray everywhere at all anymore. It works very good... Talk to ya.

    Also could be the cold weather acctually keeps it thicker...huh.. Talk to ya...

    Lifeguard thats a big chainsaw..hehehe. Talk to ya

  11. I think the spray gives u much better distribution. Nice thin layer over a broader area, rather than putting a clump in your hand and trying to spread it thinly.
    just my opinion.

    ...and curt2go's spray is very contained...no stray mist.

    gadzid

  12. I use an oral syringe that allows exact dosage with no overspray or loss. I use over-sized heavy surgical type gloves to rub it in good. Since they are thicker and larger they come on and off very easy and can be used for 2 weeks or so before being replaced.

    Works great and it is very evenly distributed and the gloves keep you from loosing what is absorbed and then washed off your hands. The rubber is also good for generating a little more heat as you briskly rub the areas.

  13. I like the gloves idea. Think I'll give it a try. I can't stand if I have to rub my eye after applying it. Even hours later it will still burn if you rub .

  14. Originally posted by gadzid
    I like the gloves idea. Think I'll give it a try. I can't stand if I have to rub my eye after applying it. Even hours later it will still burn if you rub .

    Believe me, whatever you do, dont do what he just did...hehe


    But really, even when I was trying Tren-X I made the mistake washing my hands with no soap and then washing my face with no soap, my face was BURNING for like 2 hours...all before/during/and after my workout it pissed me off!

    and my brother rubbed his eyes accidentally, and he was acting like he was just nailed with some pepperspray (not fun, believe me)
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  15. Great thread and discussion...


    This is a bulletin board at its finest! You bros make me proud *sniffle*

    Curt introduced the heating method some time ago on the bb.com board and I believe in its ability to increase the absorption. How much? Maybe a few percent but this is also a few $'s...

    Heating and cooling will not affect the molecules integrity if done by hot water bath, bottle warmer (preferred for conistency), etc. Be warned that microwave heating may very well alter the molecules since the radiation affects -OH bonds (i-prop, PG, IPM, OA, and even the powders themselves all have -OH bonds). There is no temperature regulation when dealing with microwave heating...

    Now, heating a bottle (say in a bottle warmer) will increase the temperature but will cool rapidly once applied. The energy is still transferred to the skin which is a good thing since the localized increase in blood flow will aid in absorption. It is a personal preference as to whether the added inconvenience is worth it...for me it sounds like a good idea.

    Chemo

  16. Applying in a hot place, then? After a hot shower, for example, when the washroom is still hot with steam? Is the condensation bad?

  17. The steam will slow the drying time thats all. Talk to ya..

  18. Originally posted by Sean
    Applying in a hot place, then? After a hot shower, for example, when the washroom is still hot with steam? Is the condensation bad?
    The point is that warm or hot skin has increased blood flow that will help with the uptake and absorption. Whether this comes from a hot shower or warm gel the effect will be the same.

    Chemo

  19. Well, the Conair Heated Lotion Dispenser was a complete waste of money. It doesn't heat the solution hot enough, the dispenser leaks, and it dispenses 2.4 ml/squirt which is far to much to even hold in the palm of your hand.

    My next idea is a stainless steel lotion dispenser and an electric coffee hot plate.

    Its only money..........

  20. Bow be careful handling that stainless steel.. don't want you with burned hands

  21. How about a rice cooker? I've seen them for $14, and they can be filled with water to float your bottle or syringe with a single dose in.

  22. I have one. Maybe I should try?

  23. You guys are crazy. Just boil some wtare in a pot and put the bottle in. SImple and it works... Talk to ya..

  24. Originally posted by curt2go
    You guys are crazy
    Can't dispute that

    I don't want to take the time to boil water. I want something that I can hit a switch on before jumping in the shower. Get out of the shower and its ready to apply.

  25. Originally posted by curt2go
    You guys are crazy. Just boil some wtare in a pot and put the bottle in. SImple and it works... Talk to ya..

    HAHAHA LMAO!!
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  26. I don't really want to apply 212 degree lotion to my skin. Scalding tends to dry it out, and the scar tissue buildup would also lower penetration.

  27. I'm gonna have to ask my barber what machine he uses to heat his shaving cream. Works wonders, doesn't come out scolding hot, but it is fairly hot to the touch when applied to me. Could've sworn I've seen 'em in The Sharper Image and some airplane catalogs, but can't find it on the website right now.

  28. The rice cooker thing seemed not to work well. A little too hot, I think.

  29. Originally posted by Sean
    The rice cooker thing seemed not to work well. A little too hot, I think.
    I guess the cheaper ones don't have a control for the level of heat. Too bad.

    Here's an instant hot lather machine with adjustable heat: http://www.foximas.com/store/conair-heated-lather.htm

  30. *DON't* Go with the Conair Hot lather machine. All reviews/reports say it's more of a "warm lather" machine. Definitely wont heat enough.
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