Separating Fillers from Finaplix / Trenbolone
- 02-28-2009, 10:51 PM
- 03-05-2009, 11:07 AMBoard Sponsor
- 5'9" 200 lbs.
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You really don't need to do that. If you filter out fillers, you can inject the fina instead of transdermal.
- 03-05-2009, 08:39 PM
But what if you don't want to pin, and you don't want the "unkown" fillers being absorbed trandermally? aka....me
03-05-2009, 08:45 PM
Secondary question: Should I be worried about absorbing the fillers or are they harmless? I'm concerned since my source doesn't specify what the fillers are, and also says it was prepared in an "unsterilized" process......kind of freaks me out.
03-06-2009, 02:56 PM
Dissolve them in any pure alcohol (99% iso should work ok) - the hormone will dissolve, but the binders will not. Then you can either decant it or just filter it through a coffee filter.
Finally, let the alcohol evaporate off and you should have fairly pure trenbolone acetate.
03-07-2009, 04:50 PM
You could use the old crystal fina method and add that to your transdermal carrier...although personally I'd just inject it...
03-08-2009, 12:06 AM
03-08-2009, 01:10 AM
03-08-2009, 04:28 PM
03-08-2009, 04:50 PM
03-08-2009, 08:46 PM
03-08-2009, 08:51 PM
SoCo4Fun - 23 is slightly smaller and wouldn't be as bad with test since that is only 1 or 2X per week. Tren could potentially be everyday which would suck. My ass would be solid scar tissue (-:
EasyEJL - I would do it with 4AD. I will never do any cycle without some form of test.....gotta keep my member working at all times (-:
03-09-2009, 12:12 AM
03-09-2009, 12:31 AM
Compound your Trenbolone into Phlogel Ultra, which is available in the U.S. now (no more having to get it from Canada), and you are G2G. Phlogel is awesome. Its on par with DMSO absorption-wise without the stink. Figure 50% absorption. Hope this helps.
03-09-2009, 01:46 AM
03-09-2009, 10:33 AM
See my post below...
Last edited by SoCo4Fun; 03-09-2009 at 10:41 AM. Reason: added more info...
03-09-2009, 10:35 AM
03-09-2009, 10:41 AM
I have a way of coming across very short so I'm coming back to add more info...
Test is the hormone that people inject but it comes with many different esters attached. Sure, most people pin enanthate or cyp 1 or twice a week but prop really should be pinned EOD for stable blood levels...even more frequent is base or what a lot of people call TNE (test no ester). That has to be pinned daily (if not multiple times in a day).
03-09-2009, 10:48 AM
Here are a few threads of people talking about test prop and how they pin it EOD...
~~test prop...tren ace...nuff said~~
This one is ED:
Another Prop/Ace log
Most people these days pin their prop EOD...back when I first got into gear people were pinning prop daily...I still find it keeps sides to a minimum for me when I pin prop daily...
03-09-2009, 03:21 PM
First Injectable: TestE kicked with Superdrol
I am surprised you did all that reading, and never came across a post of someone pinning prop ED, or EOD.
03-09-2009, 09:32 PM
03-09-2009, 11:33 PM
03-09-2009, 11:59 PM
So, you don't have to "smear" it on. With Tren figuring 50% absorption for Phlogel, you could easily compound it at 100mg/gram for a net application of 50mg of Trenbolone Acetate ED, or @150mg/gram for a net 75mg Tren Ace EOD. A gram of Phlogel is pretty small bro, so it is not a lot.
Avoid contact for at least an hour to be safe. But honestly, with Trenbolone I would keep the application site covered until you wash. I would not risk my loved ones with exposure to Tren. NFW.
03-10-2009, 12:04 AM
Last edited by centeroiler; 03-10-2009 at 12:06 AM. Reason: content
03-10-2009, 03:27 PM
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70% huh. Guess you have tried it then.
03-10-2009, 03:28 PM
I talked to someone who used the cattle gun and injected the pellets directly
yeah, if you are pinning test + hcg and dont care about the shutdown then the sack is the place to put the TD
03-10-2009, 08:21 PM
as for the "slimmest" gauge, i am doing 25 gauge for quads and delts. 22 gauge for glutes. i have read some people using insulin needles, but i think that would take awhile to push the oil through.
03-10-2009, 09:17 PM
If test was legal, a test/deca cycle would probably be a no brainer first cycle for me. Since I can't confirm the reliability of a potential source, I'll probably just take another baby step
03-11-2009, 01:19 PM
03-11-2009, 01:23 PM
03-17-2009, 09:34 PM
03-20-2009, 10:03 PM
If you read the full thread, I already addressed that comment on the Cypionate, "I never specifically searched Test prop. I've read a lot on "basic" test enanthate and Sust cycles (which are once or twice a week)"
Why do you think 4AD wouldn't be sufficient with Tren?
10-02-2009, 05:35 PM
The gauge on that gun is pretty big isn't it EasyEJL? This was actually my initial thought after seeing how much trouble it is to find out what the "magic solution" is and all that mess.. My second idea is either GOING through the whole mess to make an IM/subq solution or either mixing with DMSO transdermally. If that wasn't a joke about your friend using the gun.. lol, where did he put the pellets, in his ass? How much does it hurt and what kind of dosage did he use? I think for cattle they recommend all 10 pellets don't they? And that is supposed to last quite a while right? I might just use it transdermally but everyone bitches about absorption rates and all that.. I don't think they realize how potent this stuff is. You can't believe everything you read either, and even morning lab results aren't always accurate.
10-02-2009, 07:13 PM
10-15-2009, 09:41 PM
I'll be mixing trenbolone acetate with 90% DMSO gel to administer transdermally. My goal is for my body to absorb either 10 mg or 20 daily. Having said that, I've heard mixed information about the percentage of the trenbolone that will be actually be absorbed. My question is this: How many pellets (20mg) should I mix with the DMSO to absorb 20mg a day with & without the alchohol dissolving method. I want to refine it if it's as easy as it sounds. Thanks for your time.
11-24-2009, 06:13 AM
I wouldn't use less than 120mg tren, at least using the primitive "crush the stuff, rub it in" transdermal method, and I'm a lot lighter than you are. 120mg was the sweet spot for me. 160mg felt like too much. Less than 120mg felt like not quite enough. I'm going to try removing the binders for my next cycle (easily done -but I've been lazy); I have to guess the absorption will be somewhat better. I'll probably mix it with TNE, which I have found is super cheap.
Do start out small to make sure it agrees with you; the first time I tried this I started at 60mg applied, but you should have enough pellets around to ramp up to at least 120-160mg for the duration of your cycle. Fina is cheap; might as well have a whole bunch around. Also, do stack it with something like test; first time I tried it, I was only using 50-100mg of 4AD, and it wasn't anywhere near enough. You really, really, honest and truly need a good dose of test with tren. I wouldn't lie to you. I know, I didn't listen either, but you have to take your test with it.
I wrote down a good fina PCT log somewhere here. It worked great. Clomid + IGF-1 + DHEA. I'll do it again next year, with the probable addition of my new best friend, formestane. The trick is to keep rolling your test (or 4ad) until the tren ester completely clears your system; I gave it a bit over a week from stopping fina to stopping the 4AD to be on the safe side. I figure there is no way your nuts will recover with any amount of a strong androgen like tren in your body, so clear that shyeah out and roll with some regular test (or 4ad) until your blood is clean. For a non HGC restart, I think my method is going to be pretty effective. I barely felt surpressed by doing it this way. It was much cleaner and nicer than any past PCT. I think the IGF-1 helps a lot, but I also think the timing thing of staggering the ester with the base is pretty helpful.
Downsides to this cycle: it was a lot of DMSO. I don't think it was stinky, but it sure dried my skin out. I might try phlogel or penetrate the next time. I'd pin it, but I'm still chicken with daily 22 gauge IM oil injections (IM IGF-1 was the most painless thing ever though). I also think TD application of base hormones is pretty useful for giving your endocrine system a sharp cut off. Wish I could find some tren base without playing home chemist.
01-21-2010, 04:44 PM
My wife is OK with lotions, but not with pinning. Therefore I will not pin.
Bass killer has some excellent articles on DIY transdermals in reference to tren and test.
I do not like DMSO smell. Personally I like the Primordial Performance 'Topical Solution', of which can provide up to a 40% absorption rate if the molecular weight is below 300. (shoulders and back)
Tren base has a molecular weight of 270
Test base has a molecular weight of 288
As for purification of products, I prefer:
Fina=Heet and coffee filter. IMO very easy.
Test=Frozen drip recrystallization method as you want to get rid of the estradiol.
Like I said earlier, Bass killer has some excellent articles on this.
Primordial Performance 'Topical Solution' has 215ml of fluid in each bottle.
Each pump stroke = 1.2ml
215ml/1.2ml=179 pumps per bottle.
6 Fina cartridges (6x2k)=12000mg
12000mg /179 pumps=67mg per pump.
40% of 67mg=26mg
In summary about 25mg per pump. (I like 3 pumps.)
01-21-2010, 06:27 PM
Will def be doing the crystal fina method. Too bad there wasn't a simple way to reduce the tren ace to tren base.
01-22-2010, 09:13 AM
What is the absorption rate of the plo-gel? 40%?
01-22-2010, 07:21 PM
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