Originally Posted by B5150

A-roid is a Yankee. Yes?

not for long, I suspect.

Originally Posted by D-termine

The only thing making me hesitant to bitch (for which I'll gladly eat my words later if I'm wrong) is that I've never mixed Bold before, only Test. I have a few peeps I need to talk to wrt to that. I'll have some Penetrate and Dermabolics soon, so I'll be trying out both of them.

I still think that claims have yet to proven that your carrier has that much better absorption rates than the Derm/Pene products. I estimate, and this is on the low to medium end imo, 25 percent absorption with those.

I'm won't get into the math, but Penetrate and Dermabolics have no issues holding 10+ grams so far as I know. If yours holds only 5g, then the delivery would have to be a solid 40%+ to even entice me.

How you plan to prove your product has such superior absorption rates, I have no idea.

I started the cycle and I wanted to log it. However after all the tomf*ckery I've had to do to the solution, I have no idea how much is dissolved or being absorbed.

I thought you said you had put bold into the Penetrate?

I was having a real hard time believing that you actually got 10gm of BOLD in a bottle of the older stuff... but now this makes sense. Wait until you try it.

-Eric

Originally Posted by B5150

Most of us are in agreement with the idea that a lower concentration will optimize absorption. Anyone who has gone high concentration knows, as BW mentioned, that active sits on the surface of your skin and gets wasted.

The question here is: where is your evidence to support a 30-40% absorption rate? Known absorption rate is a great thing for the consumer because he can accurately assess his response to a precise dose. But again, where are you getting the precise number of 30-40% absorption?

We don’t really make precise claims on absorption %.

We say most ingredients under 300 MW get 30-40%.

Now, 30% would be occurring on most areas of the skin over a 12-24hr peroid, which is pretty close to what is occurring with advanced TD’s carrying testosterone. (for instance)

40% (or higher) would be occurring around thin-skinned areas such as the scrotum which has been found to be up to 5x more permeable than the stomach skin.

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-Pp

Forgot I threw up little review on PP vs Penatrate...in regards to Form:
PP's Topical Solution

Originally Posted by D-termine

So I just went through almost a month of waiting on Cozmar for my Soakt, what a monumental waste of time. Anyhow, I have some Boldenone base I'll trying to mix up with some PP TD carrier. I ordered up yesterday and got a tracking number the same day. Speedy service FTW!

After I ordered I was looking over the description on PP's website and noticed that the carrier only holds 5-6 grams? ****, I was able to get 12g of Test Base to hold in Penetrate no problem. I was pushing it yes, but it held requiring little more than a shake from time to time.

Has anyone pushed the upper limits of this stuff yet? I already paid double what I was hoping to pay for a carrier, now I find out the capacity to hold actives is possibly half that of Penetrate?

-D

I know this thread is old but did you received your packagae from the site?

PP's solution is hands down the best out there. i had no clumps but i was using test base and i don't believe that tends to clump.

Originally Posted by joeymutz

PP's solution is hands down the best out there. i had no clumps but i was using test base and i don't believe that tends to clump.

Penetrate from Nutra is the same or not?

it is the same

So is Cozmar still up and running or not. I tried emailing them using their contact email addie and it bounced back.

Are these guys still in business?

Originally Posted by BioAS

So is Cozmar still up and running or not. I tried emailing them using their contact email addie and it bounced back.

Are these guys still in business?

really i don`t know but the website still runnings ¿WTF?

Originally Posted by BioAS

So is Cozmar still up and running or not. I tried emailing them using their contact email addie and it bounced back.

Are these guys still in business?

Customer service is TERRIBLE.