How much is to much??
- 06-10-2008, 05:53 PM
How much is to much??
Hey guys, I've been having troble gauging were to end my sesions latetly. I've been BBing for 8 years, I've been doing it as a way of life for the last 2-3 years. I'm 27 now and I've been doing some type of BS weight lifting since 13-14 years old so I've tried it all pretty much. My question I guess, is how many sets should I do in a workout??
Right now I'm training in the higher repp range (12-15 reps) doing 3-4 moves for most body parts and 12-18 sets. Also I train 5 days a week with each body part having it's own day.
I don't often train in this repp rage but I've been lifting Heavy for the last 2 months so I wanted to give my joints a break and give my muscles some new pain!!! I just ended my chest session at 12 sets today and felt like I had alot more in the tank. I don't like feeling that way leaving the gym but I'm one of those stimulus addicts who'll stay there for an hour and a half and fcuking destroy myself before I'm allowed to leave.
So if you have experience, please help me out with a vote or a word of advise................Thanks bros!!
- 06-10-2008, 06:08 PM
Number of sets is directly related to level of intensity. The higher the intensity (higher % of max) the fewer sets needed. If you are recovering adequately from your currently workload your volume is ok.
To change things up and give your joints a rest, do a different split for a few weeks. Try training each body part twice a week with less volume per session for higher weekly volume. Maybe switch to three whole body days, or just a simple upper/lower split.
The real questions are; how long have you be on your current training plan, and are you still getting results?
06-10-2008, 09:27 PM
Good question man.I never count how many sets I do.I know that sometimes I feel like I may be doing too much,so I cut back.Then other times I feel like maybe I need more,so I do more. I always change and think this is why I'm not as big as that guy!Then after a while of that,I say no,this is why!
06-10-2008, 09:32 PM
Hey bro! Subbed to the dubbed!! I didn't vote in your poll man, because I didn't see the range where I train or, think maybe you should try to train. I train somewhere in between a Branch Warren and a Dorian Yates. After a couple of warm-up sets, I'll go straight to my heavy weight and do only 2 work sets!! That's right ....2!! If you'll pour your heart and soul into those 2 sets, you won't need or desire any more!! For major bodyparts (legs, back, and chest) I'll use 5 different excercises for a total of only 10 work sets. But these are BRUTAL work sets! For smaller body parts like delts, bi's and tri's I'll use 3 different excercises for a total of only 6 work sets. But my reps are usually only between 10 or 12. So with your higher reps for right now, you could use maybe 3 work sets of each excercise. But not 5 worksets for 4 or 5 excercises! I think you are using too much volume. I learned years ago, we can't train the way the pros train, because we're not on the gear that they're on! We can't recover like they do. You grow when you're resting!! Cut back and grow bro! THE THUNDERGOD
06-10-2008, 09:58 PM
06-10-2008, 10:06 PM
Well Squiers thanks for the responce man. And I just started this regiment a week ago to take a break from the heavy lifting I've been doing for the last 10 weeks and I am seeing good results from this. I'm probably only working in the 75%1RM now as opposed to the 85-90%1RM I was doing before. After this I have a week of "active" rest planned.
I have been considering the Upper-lower split though working everything twice a week, mainly because I have never tried it but I think that might be suited better for the heavier faze of Periodization?
06-10-2008, 10:14 PM
I used to love doing full body wo's from time to time untill I did the upper lower split.Mon,Tues,Thur,Fri.I love it!I like basic heavy lifts only,and keeping the wo for each muscle short and sweet,yet intense.Cause it's now time for the next muscle,and it will be hit again this week!An example I would do for bi's would be chin ups one day,and bb curls the next,pull ups for back,then bb rows next.Dips for tris,then close grips.I think I'm growing just talking about it!
Full bodies 3 x's a week are nice too though.Exercises are Mon,Wed,Fri.I like inc bench,flat bench or dips,inc bench again to bring up upper chest(probably my favorite part).Deads,pull ups,bb rows.Close grip,dips,skull crushers.I just like that it's easier to get a real leg wo on lower day on the upper lower.
06-10-2008, 10:22 PM
I guess I'll keep it at around 12 sets after my initial 2, 25-30rep pre exhaustion sets. I'll try the 9 sets Just for you BIG Bro!!, but I'm going to have to superset the whole wo when I do!! What I generally do during "normal" (nothing I like to do is normal...blah) wo's at a heavier weight is I'll either do 3 exercises for 4 sets each or I'll do 4 exercises for 3 sets each and stay in the 5-9 rep range. Why 5-9.........cause everyone else does the 6-10
Thanks for stopping in Crader That's more of the volume I like to do!!!! Your one kickass chick
O' and your a kick ass chick to pantera thanks for showin up guys. I love you all lol......
06-10-2008, 10:32 PM
But I will dedicate my next wo, (tomorrow's actually) to TG and do just 9 sets. I'll be doing legs and I'll superset the whole wo between squats, the leg press, and stiff leg deads!!!!
BRING IT!!!!!! And of course that doesn't include my 8 sets of calf work right?? Say no............
06-10-2008, 10:42 PM
06-10-2008, 10:44 PM
06-10-2008, 10:57 PM
I can see myself at couples therapy with pantera now.......... Sceen 1:
Shrink: BlackSheep what happened to your face?
Me: I fell down the stairs again. I fall alot these days..
Shrink: pantera do you Know anything about this?
Pantera: Nope, maybe he should learn to clean the house and he wouldn't fall so much..............Lazy ass bitzh!!
Me: He's right it was my fault. I should have used the Scrubbing Bubbles...........I'm so scared.....
Shrink: Is this true BlackSheep? .........Are you a lazy ass bitzh?.............LMFAO
06-10-2008, 11:02 PM
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06-10-2008, 11:29 PM
I hear ya bro, I can't take my pre-wo stuff on squat day cause it usually makes me feel like I need to puke after about 3 sets! Then I do some iso's like extensions or curls and then I go back and burn out on the leg press or the sled! FTW!!!!
How often are you doing your 5 mins of cardio Mr.T? I can't believe you only do 5mins what the **** is that bro ....LMAO
I do 10mins minimum but I go with the "High-tech" bike so it's not to bad. I try to keep my target heart rate around 140.
06-10-2008, 11:44 PM
06-11-2008, 07:43 AM
06-11-2008, 08:21 AM
06-11-2008, 08:29 AM
Good, I'm glad to see it's panning out for you brother! It's just like any other thing in bbing it takes a few times to get it down and find what works for you but after that your golden!! If there's one thing I know how to do it's cut!! I wish I could bulk as easy but every time I do it, it gets easier.
06-11-2008, 09:39 AM
Wow...that last answer is popular! (EDIT: just realized why that answer was so popular...mine was the only one! "Duh...where did he go George?")
IMHO, it varies from person to person depending on th countless variables that one could take into consideration (training experience, style of training being used, size, etc.) I personally change it from workout to workout, using higher rep/lower weight, higher weight lower/rep, more set (up to 4 or 5), less sets (as few as 2), giving more rest between sets (as much as 90sec.), less rest (as little as 30sec.), and employing various intensity builders, like rest pause, supers, tri-sets, partials, and pre-exhaust.
The short answer is that I'll usually be either in the 9-12 set range, or the 12-15, depending on the size of the body part (chest vs. bi, for ex.) and the way I'm hitting them that day. On higher reps, I tend to like more sets too.
06-11-2008, 10:05 AM
06-11-2008, 11:33 AM
My problem with high volume workouts is that the only guys i have ever seen who are of any size that do them are extremely chemically assisted. I am not saying this is true for everyone, just what i have seen. Also for the guys that aren't all that advanced, and i doubt their are very many lurking around here, it is much easier to get bigger by getting stronger. If you could figure out a way to put 100 lbs on your dead and squat and 50 lbs on your bench while still doing some form of accessory work, it is going to be the easiest way for you get bigger and you won't do this very quickly by doing a marathon for a routine.
06-11-2008, 11:35 AM
And I dig that tag line, by the way!!! Someone needs to make t-shirts with that on 'em.
06-11-2008, 12:36 PM
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