Help me become a nightclub bouncer

[MuscleGuyinNY]

I have an opportunity to be a bouncer at a local nightclub. I'll be waiting a few months until I get back to being in the shape that I was in last summer and when I'm off probation. Unfortunately, I can't take this job while on probation seeing as how the nightclub serves alcohol. Ridiculous, I know. So, anyways, I'm 5'8''. Last summer, I went from 190lbs to 205. I was very toned and buffed. I loved it. Due to some unfortunate events, run-in's with the law, etc., I ended up quitting my job and my membership at a localy gym ended up expiring. I've been beginning getting myself back up on my feet.

Now, at this club, the bouncers have one of two things; height or build. Most of the tall ones are real thin and a lot of the shorter to average height ones are wide. I plan on getting as toned and buffed as I was before, but I also wanna aim for a much bigger chest and much bigger arms.

I was just wondering if there were any specific workouts, which strongly target the chest and arms, biceps and triceps in particular.

I'll also be going into Corrections this Fall, but I'll be getting plenty of exercise and training while at the Academy.

 

[Pistol Pete]

What sort of workouts for your chest & arms last summer?

I'm a big fan of hammer cursl, preachers, skull crushers / French curls, tricep kick backs & of course the mother of all tricep exercises...tricep push downs!

In terms of chest, you of course of a few options, since the ches tis built of 3 areas. You could always do the good ol' DB chest press, flyes, cable cross overs. As well as those cool exercises, you could super set a push up thing I do. I do 10 wide stance push ups, then 10 normal width, then 10 narrow stance...after a few sessions, we'll see how good your arms & chest are!!!!!!!

How does ^ sound ?

 

[somewhatgifted]

I would not focus so greatly as to creat muscle imbalances, rather train weaker groups after rest days and hammer on them, but still do all other bodyparts. If i were having to restain, manhandle, escort, and fight, i would want to be in fighting shape. Being injury prone, getting your ass kicked, and getting long term damage would be what i would prepare for. Get on a punching bag, great warm up and cardio. Work on your footwork and reflexes, doing moving lifts or supersetting. Good luck man.

 

[Laxislife1265]

of course the obvious. Bench pressing, push ups, curls, incline curls, overhead tri extensions, hands at waist push ups, chin ups, dips. Ive been working on building my arms lately. What I've found to be really effective are incline curls, overhead tri exts, hand @ waist push ups, and dips. Also on getting in fighting shape i can only say one thing. Get a jump rope. For wrestling we jump rope every day. Best thing ive ever done for cardio, footwork, rythm, and leg strength also if you get a weighted jumprope it will build your arms too.

 

[MuscleGuyinNY]

Thanks a lot for the input so far, guys! I really appreciate it. The nightclub I'll be working at has it's frequent party poopers and trouble makers. The bouncers then take over and the police are called. I can't count how many times I've seen some of the customers get mangled, but that's only when they show any aggressive or violent behavior towards other customers and employees. I'm expecting some people to really like me and some people to really hate me, but that happens at every job. I'll be sure to go with the suggestions you've made so far.

 

[Laxislife1265]

let us know how everything works out

 

[MuscleGuyinNY]

let us know how everything works out

Will do. Thanks again for the advice! I really can't wait to get into the gym. I was so toned and jacked last summer, it's not even funny. I get so depressed just thinking about it now. I had lost almost everything and, with the holiday season, have gained several pounds back, I'm sure. I'm currently waiting on a job opportunity of being a private state-licensed security officer on the Air Force Base where I live. The bouncer gig would only be on the weekends. I'm hoping to be doing this until I got into Corrections this fall. Even then, I'd like to be in the best shape possible. There is no end to the different sizes of inmates that you encounter. Also, being fresh out of the Academy, the DOC loves to stick you into the biggest and baddest prisons since you have fresh training and knowledge. The worst prisons here in New York are Rikers, Sing-Sing, and Hudson. Prisoners constantly start riots, fights (with other inmates and guards), and they're just always ticking timebombs. You never know what to expect. You live day by day in those prisons. So, you can see that I'm not only interested in bodybuilding as a hobby. It'll also be very beneficial to me with careers I'll be pursuing in authoritive positions.

 

[Laxislife1265]

I live around NY also. I live in westchester. well good luck and try not to piss too many people off in prison.

 

[MuscleGuyinNY]

I live around NY also. I live in westchester. well good luck and try not to piss too many people off in prison.

I may need all the luck I can get, so thank you. So many prisons nowadays are like battlezones.

 

[Dancebot 2000]

The best exercises for building size, whether it's your chest or your arms or legs ect. is squats and deadlifts. I know it sounds a little weird to do squats to train your chest, but these two exercies release the most GH. Also, the body just likes to be proportionate, so trying to build one part excessively won't work as well as training the whole thing. Building overall mass is the key. Combine it with your chest and arm workouts, eat a s h i t load, and you should make progress fairly quickly.

 

[jmh80]

Just get some Epistane - that'll give you a superman feeling, plus the gym benefits.

 

[MuscleGuyinNY]

Just get some Epistane - that'll give you a superman feeling, plus the gym benefits.

This has been on my 'to do' list for the longest time now. Trust me, I plan on getting around to it.

 

[MuscleGuyinNY]

The best exercises for building size, whether it's your chest or your arms or legs ect. is squats and deadlifts. I know it sounds a little weird to do squats to train your chest, but these two exercies release the most GH. Also, the body just likes to be proportionate, so trying to build one part excessively won't work as well as training the whole thing. Building overall mass is the key. Combine it with your chest and arm workouts, eat a s h i t load, and you should make progress fairly quickly.

To be honest, I've never done squats or deadlifts before. I won't need anyone to spot me, will I?

Eating and the appropriate supplementation should definitely not even be a problem at all.

 

[Dancebot 2000]

To be honest, I've never done squats or deadlifts before. I won't need anyone to spot me, will I?

Eating and the appropriate supplementation should definitely not even be a problem at all.

You won't need a spotter for DL, and you won't need for squats unless you are really pushing max weight. Legs respond very well to high volume, so keep your reps ATLEAST 8 (I do sometimes do 4-6, but usually I do 10-20 reps). Push the weight you are doing.

If you've never done squats before, then brace yourself because;

1) They're hard, and they hurt the next day.

2) you will break through any sort of plateau, and you'll grow more than you have in years.

 

[MuscleGuyinNY]

You won't need a spotter for DL, and you won't need for squats unless you are really pushing max weight. Legs respond very well to high volume, so keep your reps ATLEAST 8 (I do sometimes do 4-6, but usually I do 10-20 reps). Push the weight you are doing.

If you've never done squats before, then brace yourself because;

1) They're hard, and they hurt the next day.

2) you will break through any sort of plateau, and you'll grow more than you have in years.

They actually sound very beneficial, but fun as well! I'm definitely gonna try these out. I really do appreciate your input.

 

[Nutz]

on a more practical note, as a tall, skinny ( I dread to think what I way now, maybe 190 down from 210? at 6'3" , Ive got lazy and need to hit the weights, even if my BF% is down) bouncer ( doorman) here in the UK, talking is a more useful skill than looking the part.

obviously the doors are a bit different here than there, but check out Working the Doors forums to pick up some info should you want it!

oh, and BulletProofME.com Body Armor / Bullet proof Vests do cheap, well fitting custom stab / ballistic vests.

Martial arts made me loose my strength training focus, although they have really sharpened up my skills. if you haven't done anything before check out Sherdog.com - Serving up Heaping Fistfuls of Mixed Martial Arts forums, maybe do some Krav maga from a descent trainer to get ya on your toes and sparring and for the verbal confrontation stuff they often do. I find the trickis to be able to go from nice, jokey, tolerant, polite guy to aggressive, kill you with my stare phyco in a heartbeat when its time to go for it. adrenaline to most people = fear. I really need to get my ass back into the squat rack on occasion thou!

 

[MuscleGuyinNY]

We don't have any problems with people using weapons, especially since the city police would just come running out of nowhere and shooting sh!t up. We usually get drunk/pissed off/immature patrons who ended up throwing their fists around, get verbal, and start throwing things. Those are the people that I'll be dealing with, but for now, I'm just another patron. Talking is the first alternative to defusing a problem. If that doesn't work, then you resort to escorting them out of the club. If that doesn't work, then you threaten to call the police and begin escorting them outside (the police threat usually convinces many angry patrons to leave.) If they end up picking a fight with one of the bouncers, then the other bouncers get involved and the situation is eventually taken care of. Several of the police usually sit in their squad vehicles across the street. They sometimes walk around the club and sometimes go inside, but that's only to ease any tension and to check for underage drinkers.

 

[Nutz]

completely, 9 times out of ten most punters back down ( and don't have to lose face by fighting whoever they had a issue with, where they may loose..) when a bouncer steps in, and you have plenty of backup a button press away on the radio. I'm guessing things must work slightly differently over here, as the police tend not to be involved so much and are fairly good about letting us deal with things as we see fit within reason.

do bare in mind, although I'm sure you know, size isn't everything. boxers tend to be the worst for kicking off quickly and efficiently and come in small packages over here its nice to have some big bruisers on the front door thou so ppl don't get ideas.

by no means saying you don't know what your doing, I'm sure you do, or you wouldn't get offered work, and enjoy the job, its usually getting paid well for standing around chatting ( with eyes open of course!)

 

[Hurleyboy05]

Damn I wanna be a bouncer. I gotta get bigger!!!

 

[CryingEmo]

It depends if you want to just be intimidating 'looking' or actually have some skill that makes you intimidating.

Rodja doesn't look huge (no offense Rodja, that's not what your training for anyways), but I have no doubt he would destroy some huge bouncer with no MMA skills.

 

[warnerve]

i bounce at a really big place on the weekends and in the summer, but we have like 40 people there on the weekends in the summer when it's really busy, so they use sheer numbers to calm down any situation. if you wanna get bigger to be a bouncer, just work out and do what everyone else on this site is doing, there's no workout for it. it's mainly dealing with people and leveling with them when you can and being able to overpower/restrain them when you can't. Best method is sleeper and then telling them you aren't loosening it up unless they stop. Full nelson works good too. I wouldn't recommend throwing any punches unless you wanna deal with your own lawsuit, at least that's what I was told at my work.

 

[CryingEmo]

i bounce at a really big place on the weekends and in the summer, but we have like 40 people there on the weekends in the summer when it's really busy, so they use sheer numbers to calm down any situation. if you wanna get bigger to be a bouncer, just work out and do what everyone else on this site is doing, there's no workout for it. it's mainly dealing with people and leveling with them when you can and being able to overpower/restrain them when you can't. Best method is sleeper and then telling them you aren't loosening it up unless they stop. Full nelson works good too. I wouldn't recommend throwing any punches unless you wanna deal with your own lawsuit, at least that's what I was told at my work.

LOL@ sleeper and full nelson. Wait until you try to do that to a BJJ practicioner and get owned.

 

[warnerve]

would love to hear your expert opinion then.

 

[CryingEmo]

would love to hear your expert opinion then.

Actually I'm a BJJ blue belt, and while I may not look huge at 250 lb's(considering it's hard to put muscle on a 6'6 frame), size and strength are relatively insignificant compared with technique and skill.

I actually think those attributes are highly overrated. You could have smaller bouncers that had a skill like judo or bjj, and they would be much more effective IMO.

JMHO.

 

[warnerve]

yeah, but i mean what do you recommend for restraining or essentially making someone "say uncle" then? and 6'6 at 250 is damn good. now you got me kinda worried, i gotta go to work tonight and you ruined my go to moves for me

 

[CryingEmo]

yeah, but i mean what do you recommend for restraining or essentially making someone "say uncle" then? and 6'6 at 250 is damn good. now you got me kinda worried, i gotta go to work tonight and you ruined my go to moves for me

If something works for you don't change it, just know you could be way more effective with more knowledge and experience.

 

[warnerve]

interesting...thanks for the tip, i am gonna look into this some. i've never had any sort of fighting training, so it'll be good for me anyways

 

[MuscleGuyinNY]

Your best weapon is your voice. Looking the part and acting the part both help. It's best to have both than just one, but in some situations, especially in rowdy nightclubs, it's best to be able to act the part. I'm not at all worried about getting into any verbal or physical conflict. I'm one of those people who just doesn't back down. I don't give up until I win. I'd say my only 'con' is the fact that I run my mouth and don't know where to draw the line. I'm known to have a very violent temper. I'm actually in something called the 'Violence Intervention Program.' It's the same idea as anger management, but it focuses on so much more and is much more effective. But, anyways, I'm a good size with a good build. I just need to get back into the gym and get back to the way I used to be.

 

[jasonschaffin]

To be honest, I've never done squats or deadlifts before. I won't need anyone to spot me, will I?

Eating and the appropriate supplementation should definitely not even be a problem at all.

If the gym you work out at has some GOOD trainers ask them to work with you the first couple times you squat and deadlift. 90% of the people at my gym do both of them wrong. Start light and master your form first. Your strength will skyrocket after you get good form down.

 

[Bering C]

I bounce on weekends occasionaly as a favor for a friend who manages a club here in AK, On sat night my wife and I were out for a few beers I was not working and just enjoying hanging out when a big rukus started just a few feet away from me, I reacted faster than the bouncer on duty and wrapped up the biggest guy in the fray with a guillotine and a arm bar, it was over as quick as it started, I have only had to get physical 3 times while bouncing, It is always the last resort when talking won't difuse the situation, It helps I live in a small town and know most of the patrons. I do it strictly as a recreational job for the bennys, I can say without a doubt that I wouldn't want to do it all the time or even in a bigger town. Muscleing up is good but your voice is your most effective weapon.

 

[Alexander]

WTF, so you guillotined him out cold and then broke his arm with an armbar? Who are you, Bas friggin Rutten. Not saying you're lying at all, just lookin for some clarification.

 

[jas123]

WTF, so you guillotined him out cold and then broke his arm with an armbar? Who are you, Bas friggin Rutten. Not saying you're lying at all, just lookin for some clarification.

Marlon Sims!

 

[chaos254]

Learn how to talk to people, this will help you the most. I wouldn't worry about getting huge. Size helps but majority of the time if you know how to deal with people you can usually talk them down or atleast get them to walk outside with you and then its no longer your problem. I've been doing security since I was in college and have worked at one of the biggest clubs on the east coast so I know from experience. Also don't be a hardass, it will only get you in trouble. Remember people are there to have fun... and its not personal. People get drunk and are not in the right state of mind. A lot of guys I worked with(specifically smaller guys/tough guys) always got off on kicking people out and they were always the ones that got knocked the **** out or hurt when they tried to push around the wrong person.

For the most part... people will back down when the bouncers get involved but of course you always get those hard asses that try to fight you. I would definitely advise against hitting anyone unless it is absolutely necessary as pointed out in an earlier post. It will just be more of hassle for nothing. That doesn't mean dont protect yourself it just means think before you hit.

I could go on and on about the DO's and DON'TS but you'll learn once you do it for awhile.

 

[Bering C]

WTF, so you guillotined him out cold and then broke his arm with an armbar? Who are you, Bas friggin Rutten. Not saying you're lying at all, just lookin for some clarification.

no he never went out and I sure didn't break his arm. thats just how it went down.

 

[jas123]

no he never went out and I sure didn't break his arm. thats just how it went down.

I'm confused too. So you guillotined and pulled guard, the guillotine slipped off and you transitioned to armbar? Something's fishy in the Bering C.

 

[bigrabbit]

Do major movements like Bench Presses, Deadlifts, Squads etc they work major groups...

 

[RenegadeRows]

If your not into self defense already, start learning. Cuz size and the projection of strength matters nyet to a drunken group.

 

[RenegadeRows]

Learn how to talk to people, this will help you the most. I wouldn't worry about getting huge. Size helps but majority of the time if you know how to deal with people you can usually talk them down or atleast get them to walk outside with you and then its no longer your problem. I've been doing security since I was in college and have worked at one of the biggest clubs on the east coast so I know from experience. Also don't be a hardass, it will only get you in trouble. Remember people are there to have fun... and its not personal. People get drunk and are not in the right state of mind. A lot of guys I worked with(specifically smaller guys/tough guys) always got off on kicking people out and they were always the ones that got knocked the **** out or hurt when they tried to push around the wrong person.

For the most part... people will back down when the bouncers get involved but of course you always get those hard asses that try to fight you. I would definitely advise against hitting anyone unless it is absolutely necessary as pointed out in an earlier post. It will just be more of hassle for nothing. That doesn't mean dont protect yourself it just means think before you hit.

I could go on and on about the DO's and DON'TS but you'll learn once you do it for awhile.

Really good advice. The best victory is the one you can handle without your fists.

 

[SureShot]

What corrections dept is going to hire somebody fresh off probation and in an anger management program? IMO, the last thing you want to do is become a nightclub bouncer right before you are about to get hired in any law enforcement position. You can jeopardize your career if having to take any action in a physical confrontation, IE u kick someone out, get physical, said person sues you, now when you go to apply for an LE position, you have an open case, even if it is only civil. DOES NOT look good, trust me

 

[Bobby Lee]

I've bounced and done private security for 10 years now. Your voice is the most important thing, i've talked down MANY dumb drunk ass celebs here in Minneapolis. ( Hi Allen Iverson. ..lol )

Anyhoo, make sure you focus on your flexability and reflexes too while ur muscling up, theres a lotta guys I work with that are jacked to the gills and can't move to save their lives. its kinda funny actually

 

[Australian made]

I've bounced and done private security for 10 years now. Your voice is the most important thing, i've talked down MANY dumb drunk ass celebs here in Minneapolis. ( Hi Allen Iverson. ..lol )

tell me you threw a haymaker at that cocky SOB?!!

 

[Bobby Lee]

tell me you threw a haymaker at that cocky SOB?!!

LOL. No he left without physical incident but he wanted to save face by yelling and cursing as we walked his people out of the club which us usually what the fake tough guys wanna do is save face. I was hoping this guy in his entourage would have tried striking me tho. He was the typical mistreat the women in the bar cuz I'm with a celeb cling on.

Be careful bro I hope people aren't as lawsuit happy as they are here. I had to go to court for laying out a guy who was beating up his girl at the club. Then they both turn around and press assault charges for me saving her ass. LOL


Sorry I'm thread jacking now. My bad dude

 

[jas123]

Be careful bro I hope people aren't as lawsuit happy as they are here. I had to go to court for laying out a guy who was beating up his girl at the club. Then they both turn around and press assault charges for me saving her ass. LOL

Damn, what trash. Hope nothing bad came of it for you.

Last time I got into a fight was about 6 years ago. After getting arrested and having to worry about getting sued for dental expenses, I've tried to stay away from street fights.

 

[MuscleGuyinNY]

LOL. No he left without physical incident but he wanted to save face by yelling and cursing as we walked his people out of the club which us usually what the fake tough guys wanna do is save face. I was hoping this guy in his entourage would have tried striking me tho. He was the typical mistreat the women in the bar cuz I'm with a celeb cling on.

Be careful bro I hope people aren't as lawsuit happy as they are here. I had to go to court for laying out a guy who was beating up his girl at the club. Then they both turn around and press assault charges for me saving her ass. LOL


Sorry I'm thread jacking now. My bad dude

Battery against women is most definitely not tolerated in my area. If I saw a guy, anywhere, beating on a woman, then I'd step in and pound the shyt out of him, whether I was on the job or not. I had to see my mother deal with bullshyt like that while I was growing up. She's had some pretty shytty men in her life. I've also gone out with several women who had been beaten in previous relationships. If there was ever a physical altercation between a man and a woman at the club, then I'd be all over the guy, as I'm sure many other bouncers and patrons would. Once the city police were to arrive, then they'd most likely begin punching his ass around a bit, too. I'm not stereotyping at all right now, but there are many rednecks and blacks in my area, including a growing number of hispanics from the city. I live probably about 5 hours north of NYC. But, anyways, it's usually the rednecks and blacks around the area who are 'slap-happy' towards women, but the rednecks and blacks don't get along with one another either. There is still quite a bit of racial bullshyt going on in my area, but I'm glad that it has toned down a lot.

 

[MuscleGuyinNY]

LOL. No he left without physical incident but he wanted to save face by yelling and cursing as we walked his people out of the club which us usually what the fake tough guys wanna do is save face. I was hoping this guy in his entourage would have tried striking me tho. He was the typical mistreat the women in the bar cuz I'm with a celeb cling on.

Be careful bro I hope people aren't as lawsuit happy as they are here. I had to go to court for laying out a guy who was beating up his girl at the club. Then they both turn around and press assault charges for me saving her ass. LOL


Sorry I'm thread jacking now. My bad dude

Even if it is the celebrity's fault, they allow for their money and lawyers to do the fighting for them in the courtrooms, to help keep their asses out of trouble.

 

[MuscleGuyinNY]

What corrections dept is going to hire somebody fresh off probation and in an anger management program? IMO, the last thing you want to do is become a nightclub bouncer right before you are about to get hired in any law enforcement position. You can jeopardize your career if having to take any action in a physical confrontation, IE u kick someone out, get physical, said person sues you, now when you go to apply for an LE position, you have an open case, even if it is only civil. DOES NOT look good, trust me

You don't realize how many COs are on probation, or how many grow/smoke marijuana. But, anyways, I actually got a letter from the Department of Civil Service yesterday. I kicked ass on the Corrections test. My name's been added to the list, so if I can't get back in federal before I turn 21 in August, then I'll go into Corrections. Also, going federal or state could possibly help me get off probation rather early, which would be amazing.

Also, I'm not in an anger management class. It's called 'VIP,' which stands for the Violence Intervention Program. It's more like counseling than anger management. It's advertised as being 'voluntary,' but what happens if probation recommends it and you don't take the class? They consider it a violation against your terms of probation, put a warrant out for your arrest, and you get arrested. I'd much rather do what probation tells me, so that I can get this done and over with. They also tried sticking me into out-patient drug and alcohol classes, only because I've admitted to drinking and smoking pot in my past. The rehab facility conducted an hour long evaluation with me and came to the conclusion that it was nonsense for me to be referred by probation. So, that was a plus.

 

[pantera101]

No offense at all,but if you were 205 at 5'8" and asking what exercises to do,then you're either gifted or were juicing like crazy.I cant beleive no ones telling you to do more hardcore exercises(except for sq's and deads)Whoever said to do kick backs and called pushdowns the mother of tri ex is crazy(no offense again)I guees next leg extensions are the mother of leg ex.If you want big strong tri's,you focus on big heavy lifts like close grip bench and dips(the mother of tri ex)keep the elbows in and you will feel the tris working and they will get sore,maybe throw in some skull crushers as well.Only do the heavy lifts,they recruit more muscle fibers and cause more overload on the muscle,and being as strong as possible will obvisouly benefit you.focus on deads,pullups,bb rows,bench presses,military presses,dips,close grips,skull crushers,bb curls,chins,sq's,stiff legged deads,and some calf raises, because small calfs on a built guy is just ridiculous.Keep your reps 6-8 and maybe go lower every now and then.6-8will build size and strength,while the lower reps will build more strength than size,but will add up to size later.Good luck with your prob.,i got 9 months left on mine,the s**t sucks.my p o told me to be ready for a piss test next visit,i love having a guy watch me piss in a cup.I suggested this to another guy,go to t-nation.com to read their articles.they post 1-2 new ones mon-fri.their verry informative,helpfull,and some times funny.you can go to their article library(i beleive)to read their old ones.If you have been reading their articles for a couple months,you wouldn't of had to ask your question,same for a lot of other questons i see on here.If you're into bb,get a subscription to one of the mags,i like muscular development.you can never learn too much,I've heard pro bb's in their late 30's say their still learning.kai greene said his friend in martial arts learned that when he got his black belt,thats when the training actually began when he thought he would be done at that point.Kai said thats very similar to bodybuilding.

 

[MuscleGuyinNY]

No offense at all,but if you were 205 at 5'8" and asking what exercises to do,then you're either gifted or were juicing like crazy.I cant beleive no ones telling you to do more hardcore exercises(except for sq's and deads)Whoever said to do kick backs and called pushdowns the mother of tri ex is crazy(no offense again)I guees next leg extensions are the mother of leg ex.If you want big strong tri's,you focus on big heavy lifts like close grip bench and dips(the mother of tri ex)keep the elbows in and you will feel the tris working and they will get sore,maybe throw in some skull crushers as well.Only do the heavy lifts,they recruit more muscle fibers and cause more overload on the muscle,and being as strong as possible will obvisouly benefit you.focus on deads,pullups,bb rows,bench presses,military presses,dips,close grips,skull crushers,bb curls,chins,sq's,stiff legged deads,and some calf raises, because small calfs on a built guy is just ridiculous.Keep your reps 6-8 and maybe go lower every now and then.6-8will build size and strength,while the lower reps will build more strength than size,but will add up to size later.Good luck with your prob.,i got 9 months left on mine,the s**t sucks.my p o told me to be ready for a piss test next visit,i love having a guy watch me piss in a cup.I suggested this to another guy,go to t-nation.com to read their articles.they post 1-2 new ones mon-fri.their verry informative,helpfull,and some times funny.you can go to their article library(i beleive)to read their old ones.If you have been reading their articles for a couple months,you wouldn't of had to ask your question,same for a lot of other questons i see on here.If you're into bb,get a subscription to one of the mags,i like muscular development.you can never learn too much,I've heard pro bb's in their late 30's say their still learning.kai greene said his friend in martial arts learned that when he got his black belt,thats when the training actually began when he thought he would be done at that point.Kai said thats very similar to bodybuilding.

My father was in the military. My stepfather also was. My mother was a sports fanatic in school and college. I was also a sports fanatic while growing up. My legs are solid muscle. I was 205 at 5'8'' and loving it. I looked really good. I was always getting compliments, the girls were always staring, and a lot of people that I knew would admit to how intimidated they felt by me, lol. I just began getting into the whole bodybuilding thing, a little over a year ago. I've seen and heard plenty. Just trying to even things out now.

Probation does suck. I'm waiting until I finish my VIP classes, so I can try getting my case expunged. That should be sometime around June or July. I wouldn't mind getting into MMA training and Karate, and Corrections in August, but you know how probation is. They'll try ruining every opportunity you get. No matter what, they'll try finding a porblem with what you're doing. I was involved in a domestic violence dispute, so they really bring the hammer down on me at times. But I tend to argue and make a point.