lookin for some chest width... i hear flies are great
- 11-30-2007, 01:21 PM
lookin for some chest width... i hear flies are great
the problem with me is i have this popping pain in my shoulder when i do flies. And once it pops my arms kind of give out. i may be able to get away with like a set if i warm up my shoulders for a long time but after that i'm done for. i had talked to a few people at my gym including trainers but nobody really knows. the best guess was a tendon rolling over a part of the shoulder or something like that. i most definitely need width in the chest though and all my chest lift i have a wide ass grip already cause i like it better. the only thing i can really do for flies is machines and we just have the seat straight up so it's hitting the same muscles that flat bench would. any help or suggestions?
- 11-30-2007, 01:30 PM
I really dont think it is the best idea to stay with the flies because i have a bad shoulder myself and my pt says not to do flies but allows me to do everything eles. I say stay with the other work outs and stay away from flies all together, not worth it!
- 11-30-2007, 01:48 PM
oh ok cool. idk it's just frustrating because i'm not gaining any width... but i also stuck to DB for a while and stayed away from BB... maybe being consistant with BB will open and widen my chest more?
11-30-2007, 04:47 PM
I personally love loading up the bar and incorporating wide grip(bench press), and yes flies into my chest routine. umm try not going back as far if your shoulder is hurting you!Good luck!
11-30-2007, 07:07 PM
11-30-2007, 07:47 PM
11-30-2007, 09:14 PM
ya i know. it's not really a matter of impressing for that matter although it's always nice to get a few looks when you're putting up a good amount weight. only looks i get are from old men haha. but with the flies i just feel like a wuss cause i've always been one to drive myself and my dad's hardcore so i was kinda raised to push through the pain. he's a psycho. i cant push through this pain. i know i shouldn't. i hit up chest today and set some pr's. i was pumped. my last workout of the day was gonna be flies but i pussed out and just did machine haha. even then i hit this one rep and it killed my left shoulder. i immediately dropped the weight and it felt fine. i was too scared for DB's though. next week i'll try the DB's... iff i'm up for it. (that's math terminology iff=if and only if)
11-30-2007, 10:05 PM
11-30-2007, 10:12 PM
good recomendation actually but it's all good. i fuel more off of other people. idky... for instance today i was doing incline db's and i was just going for 4 sets of 8 but likely my last two sets would drop. i went from 65's - 75's and on my last set i bumped it up to 80's. i had some random spot me but because i hate getting help i pushed really hard and put that up 8 times. i just gotta learn to not be a dumbass when it comes to flies. i'm good about for the most part. i dont sacrafice form for weight... the people i see do that i just laugh at them cause well... it is ****in funny. me doing that on flies is because i feel like a wuss to myself. i feel like i'm cheating myself haha. i'll just have to learn to deal with it rather than pushing through the pain.
11-30-2007, 10:14 PM
oh **** but that's a really good call. i didn't understand what you meant by IT'S CHRISTMAS TIME lol. that's a great call. although pointless because i work at a gym so my membership is free... idk. maybe i could ask for that.
11-30-2007, 10:17 PM
listen actually have a hardcore workout*(every time)!IN the privacy of my own home i don't have to worry about checking some chick out or looking pretty,believe me it makes a world of difference!
11-30-2007, 10:21 PM
that'd be sweet actually. that would be really convienant. sounds lame to many people but i think other people might understand. i want to lift with my shirt off for more motivation and it's not like i can do that at the gym so that'd be a bonus. that'd be a ****in huge christmas gift haha. i'll have to ask for the basics and save up for some more stuff.
11-30-2007, 10:24 PM
heck yea lol u gotta have the mirror set up the music pumping, and you can check yourself out whenever you please!
12-01-2007, 09:21 AM
I used to have an issue with my shoulders doing BP and flys. I used to have a similar popping effect and it would hurt a lot. After a couple of years of frustration and not being able to increase my weight due to the pain I decided to change my routine and incorporated days of push-ups and rotator cuff exercises in place of weights. A few weeks later I decided to try the weights again and not only did my shoulder pain go away, but I managed to increase my weight. Just last night I managed to break into the 200 range at 205 lbs x 3, probably not a huge deal to most people here, but considering I was benching 135 lbs before I started my log in September (Start over!) it is a huge deal to me
I used and still use push-up bars to take the stress of the wrists - they are awesome! I hope this helps you - good luck!
12-01-2007, 09:26 AM
Had the same prob with my wrist when doing barbell curls and pushups, man is that annoying!Although now i'm fine, i could never have a full workout do to this minor problem.
12-01-2007, 03:19 PM
Width will largely be determined by genetics and I would bring my hand spacing in a little if you want to prevent tearing up your shoulders. I had to learn the hard way.
12-01-2007, 03:25 PM
12-01-2007, 03:28 PM
A guy goes to the doctor and says, " hey doc everytime I raise my arm like this it hurts."
So the doctor says, "well quit doing that then."
Seriously, pain is meant to tell your body something is wrong. The pain we are supposed to work through durung a workout is lactic acid buildup, not real pain.
You can get a full chest workout in without ever doing another fly or pec dec movement again. Dips may be a good alternative, but if they hurt DON'T do them.
That doesn't make you a wuss. It makes you smart.
12-01-2007, 03:39 PM
reps^^ thanks for the help. i always thought that flies hit the inner part as well. but the people i asked my have been implying that when doing db flies that eccentric contraction could open the chest up more. BS?
12-01-2007, 04:26 PM
12-01-2007, 04:27 PM
yes lol u should have asked,i would have told you it gives you the inner chest seperation thats why I recommended wide grip bench press
12-01-2007, 09:36 PM
What you would do is, after each group of chest exercises, lay on a flat bench with a light dumbell and stretch your pecs for about a minute (not every set, just after the whole group of that particular exercise).
12-01-2007, 11:23 PM
ok for sure. i was given this stretch by one of my buds who is a trainer and it's kinda of hard to explain but you sit "criss cross" style and you but your back flat against a wall. you then try to place your elbows and back of your hands against the wall, starting at a low position and going up. it was extremely hard the first time i tried it but i'm starting and trying to get used to it. if you can picture that does it sound like a good stretch? i guess it should be just as long as i feel it in my chest but i feel it more in shoulders... i dont know if that means that it's more in my shoulders or my shoulders just need more work. what do you think?
12-02-2007, 11:18 AM
12-02-2007, 10:26 PM
I think you just answered your own question. If it is a good stretch for pecs, you will feel it there more than anywhere else. Try the stretch I suggested. You can try to keep lowering your hands toward the floor to keep the stretch going.
On the other hand, this could also be an indicator of a muscle imbalance in your delts. It sounds like your front delts could be overdeveloped from the wide grip presses you do and you may need more direct rear delt work to even out your development.
12-03-2007, 01:02 AM
good call dragonrider. when i hit shoulders i do lat raises week one and bent lat raises week two. i'll find a way to hit bent lat raises or another exercise to hit the rear delts every week now. i've never really done any other rear delt exercises though. besides maybe bent cable lat raises. you guys got anything? i'll probably think of one tomorrow but for now i'm exhausted and am not functioning properly. got any good rear delt exercises?
12-03-2007, 07:54 AM
Are you doing any type of bent rows for your back? Even though they are primarily a back movement, they also hit your rear delts.
12-03-2007, 09:25 AM
do you have hammer strength equipment where you workout? they have one that is called wide chest, it targets the outer pecs pretty good.
If you have good pec development then width will come along with it imo.
12-03-2007, 10:41 AM
my back workout usually consists of pull ups (weight and non weighted, strict form), BB rows, one arm rows, lat pull down. For BB rows, if i cant find a t bar or something with a wider grip i'll hit cable rows with a wider grip. I tend to vary my grips on every exercise now to try and hit different parts of the back. I dont do bent rows very often because i dont feel it in my back very well. when i first started doing them i was doing entirely too much weight but even when i drop the weight down a lot i tend to still not feel them as much as other workouts. You think i should spend more time on bent rows?
12-03-2007, 10:42 AM
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