TO eat or NOT to eat during sleep?
- 10-25-2007, 02:41 PM
TO eat or NOT to eat during sleep?
I have always slammed a couple protein shakes throughout the course of the night, because I wake up feeling very hungry and don't want to starve my hard earned muscle of protein. Some say that this practice disrupts sleep and normal blood sugar cycles which normally result in GH secretion throughout the night and ultimately lead to faster recovery. Please post your comments on this hot topic and help me decide whether I should be considering starving myself throughout the night or continue feeding when hungry!
- 10-25-2007, 02:56 PM
I dont see a problem with taking in some aminos or a shake if you wake up during the night by yourself, but i do not agree with disrupting sleep with an alarm to take stuff down.
I also think it depends on your sleep schedule.. if your someone who does not get a whole lot of hours as is.. its probabley not the best idea to worry about cramming down a few extra cals.
- 10-25-2007, 03:10 PM
I voted NO, but with a major caveat; I am finding that the time I sleep, unless I'm really hungry (legit, not just late p.m nearly insatiable compulsion to eat, and carbs no less...), I can go the course without eating. Again, if I wake up legitemately hungry, I'll eat (modestly and in a good way; hopefully protein/fat). I wanna make sure that my sleep is undisturbed, and I find that eating late can be disruptive.
10-25-2007, 03:16 PM
10-25-2007, 03:39 PM
10-25-2007, 03:48 PM
Some great comments, thanks guys. Personally, I wake up 1-3 times per night with hunger pangs that would make a sane man run outside in his birthday suit in the middle of the night to slay the first sign of life and devour it cold and raw. I eat fat and protein with a few complex carbs (sometimes...like whole wheat bread) 1-2 hours before bed. I never eat sugar except right after workout in my PWO shake...rarely I will have an apple or something but not near bedtime. I eat as much as I can stomach throughout the day (usually 7-9 meals/snacks), and I usually can't eat as much as I would like to at each sitting 'cause my stomach is a little on the small side. I wake up 10 times/night to drink water, and 3-4 times to urinate - all unplanned of course, and determined by my body's urges. I've been advised by some to stop eating protein late so I won't get thirsty and so then I won't need to urinate, but if those things don't wake me up, I get the hunger pains. AHHH!! I can't seem to win....so I just down my protein shakes and go back to sleep until I wake up to urinate or drink..or both...always enduring the disturbances of the night. I had my doc check my GH levels in the morning and she said they are low-normal..so is my test...but because it's in the "normal range" they see that as OK...but you know GH levels fluctuate so much I don't see how they can conclude normality from one measurement.
10-25-2007, 04:02 PM
10-25-2007, 04:11 PM
10-25-2007, 04:13 PM
i've heard of people waking up every 2-3 hours or so and eating like a steak they have sitting next to their bed. thats CRAZY
10-25-2007, 04:16 PM
10-25-2007, 04:20 PM
10-25-2007, 04:21 PM
I would try for something like cottage cheese then as the 1-2 hrs prebed, that would be a little longer lasting. Also could try adding some psyllium husks to that pre-bed meal for extra fill fiber
10-25-2007, 04:30 PM
I had to do a quick search to see what psyllium husk is....sounds like a useful supplement..esp. for heart health and regularity...but what do think about this interaction which I found on http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/n...psy_0214.shtml
"Psyllium may decrease the absorption of such minerals as zinc, copper, iron, calcium and magnesium if used concomitantly."
I've been pondering trying the ever-popular sleep/recovery supplements ZMA/ZMK which are partially based on zinc/magnesium supplementation...
10-25-2007, 04:32 PM
hmm well, taken 1-2 hrs pre the zmk it should not be so bad, but i'm not really sure
10-25-2007, 04:33 PM
10-25-2007, 04:40 PM
either, but you are adding calcium, which also has a negative interaction with zmk. man I love zmk, MST really has a hit there.
10-25-2007, 04:42 PM
hmmm..sounds like a delicate balancing act...
I gotta run to class now..thanks for the comments everyone..hope to continue the discussion later
10-25-2007, 06:27 PM
10-25-2007, 06:42 PM
10-25-2007, 06:44 PM
10-25-2007, 07:00 PM
I'm all for being dedicated to bodybuilding, but there is no chance I'm ever giong to force myself to get up during the night to slam another meal. I'm getting around 6k calories every day; that's enough for me.
10-25-2007, 07:11 PM
10-25-2007, 11:23 PM
I'm going to try the BCAAs tonight if(when) I wake up hungry. I'm also going to give the ZMA a shot 30 minutes before bedtime (~ midnight). So my last meal I'm going to plan to have at 9:30 pm, because the label reads to take the ZMA on an empty stomach.
Should I cut out my carbs at dinner time? By the way, I'm 170 lb, 12% BF (according to the handheld BF monitor)...16-17% according to the integrated scale/bodyfat monitor I just bought....WTF? I was PO'd when I saw that garbage..lol. Oh..one other thing I should mention, I'm ON...in my first week (1st time, TE (250 E5d)/Bold (200 E5d)) trying to bulk. I've been working out off and on for 10 years with ups and downs for various reasons. I've been going hard for 6 months now...I train instinctively cause I tend to hurt myself when I'm going by a pre-set itinerary..guess I try to do too much that way, but I'm wondering if I should have a mapped routine anyway...I don't know I guess I always had more fun in the gym training by how my body feels. I've been trying to take in 3000-3500 calories/day (which is A LOT for me...I have a hard time fitting that much food in my stomach in one day)...calorie breakdown is about 37% Prot/37% Carb/26% Fat. If I don't eat right before bedtime, and I don't snack throughout the night then my current diet plan drops to 2500 calories...pretty small for being ON don't you think? I can't do weightgainer (high carb, no fiber, bulking things) during the day cause they constipate me...I'm talking crapping rocks for a week from one or two shakes...soooooo...Please help if you can!
So here's the working plan if I decide to cut out the last meal before bedtime and reduce some of the late evening carbs:
9:30: chicken breast, romaine/red leaf salad with sprinkle olive oil/lime juice, tomtato, onion, green peppers, kidney beans. Fish oil caps. Saw Palmetto.
11:30: ZMA (should I take BCAAs here?)
if(when) I wake up hungry: 10 g BCAAs in H20
Any modifications recommended guys?
I really appreciate your help!
10-26-2007, 07:08 AM
10-26-2007, 08:14 AM
heres a quote from another thread, may make you think twice
so you don't want to overeat pre-bed, as it may make for more test->estro conversion during the nite.overeating has the same effect as drinking alcohol ( the liver just cant keep up ) they both inhibit the P450 system and therefore create a Testosterone to Estrogen conversion.
this is why its quite important to not eat before bed and only eat until about 80% full ( you should be able to exercise after eating a meal if need be)
10-26-2007, 01:44 PM
hmmm..that's interesting. Thanks for the followup. Do you happen to know the pathway from overeating to p450 inhibition?...through liver overload? Sounds VERY interesting...so if this is solid logic, then one should always be weary of overeating?
I followed above protocol last night, but man I was hungry before I even went to bed! I had to have a spoonful of power pb to hold me over, otherwise I would never have fallen asleep. I took 10 g BCAAs right before bed in powder form mixed w/ water...is that stuff supposed to taste like rat poison!? I got bloated big time off of it too. Same thing when I woke up hungry, I took 8g in capsule form..got bloated again, very uncomfortable...didn't make for good sleep...on top of that, it didn't curb my appetite so I had another spoonful of power PB and went back to sleep..took me 20 minutes to get back to sleep...which sucked. All in all I slept pretty good last night ~10 hours worth and woke up less than usual...but If I could somehow get rid of that bloat, I think it would improve.
10-26-2007, 02:00 PM
10-26-2007, 02:03 PM
Maybe more of the PB is the way to go then. hmm
10-26-2007, 02:27 PM
10-26-2007, 02:48 PM
during i take in 4 scoops of Xtend
immediately after I drink 1/4cup of ground oats and 1 scoop of TP WPI
within and hour I eat a meal, which is normally 1 of the following:
1. Low sodium Chili, made with 8oz ground chicken and 1/3cup brown basmati rice
2. Stir Fry, made with 8 oz Lean Chicken Breast, whatever vegetable I want and EVOO, and 1/3 cup brown basmati rice
3. 1/2 cup WW Pasta and a "no sugar added" meat sauce (8oz ground chicken)
Then, before bed it's 2 scoops of Casien, 12.5oz BCAAs, 1tbsp Metamucil in 12-16oz of Skim, plus 1/2cup FF Cottage Cheese, and 1oz of Unsalted nuts (usually pecans or almonds)
Currently I'm not eating anything in the middle of the night, but if I was having trouble gaining size and I wanted to break through a plateau, I would wake up 3-4 hrs after I fell asleep and have a small protein shake, something like 8oz skim, 1~1.5 scoops of casien and 10grams of bcaas.
EDIT: I lift between 4-5. My preworkout meal is meal 4.
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