Nutrient Timing Article by John Berardi... - AnabolicMinds.com
Page 1 of 2 12 Last

Nutrient Timing Article by John Berardi...

  1. Registered User
    kwyckemynd00's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"   lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Marklar
    Age
    31
    Posts
    5,324
    Rep Power
    2844

    Nutrient Timing Article by John Berardi...


    Just wondering what you've got to say about Berardi's nutrient timing writeup

    If you haven't read it, it's a worth while read.

    http://johnberardi.com/articles/nutr...r_timing_1.htm
    http://johnberardi.com/articles/nutr...r_timing_2.htm


  2. Registered User
    meowmeow's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    The Land of Nod
    Posts
    548
    Rep Power
    383

    Those articles are based on John Ivy's book Nutrient Timing: The Future of Sports Nutrition.

    Therein Ivy recommends the intake of glutamine powder as part of a post-workout shake. He states that this is necessary to immediatly restore the immune system after it is supressed from exercise-induced low glutamine levels.

    Does anyone think that failure to follow this protocol is resulting in increased colds and flu caught at the gym?

    Does anyone think that adding glutamine post-workout will significantly aid in keeping sickness away?

    •   
       

  3. Registered User
    excalibur's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Age
    37
    Posts
    97
    Rep Power
    185

    good read it were almost identical to my nutrition rutine
    even the pre/during post WO nutrition as well exept that I use fruit juice for carbs pre, during and carbs from ricemilk, oatmilk post wo. Protien I use is hydrolyzed whey/kasein molekyl weight less than 1500 daltons. I am about to start add some EAA asvell to the miks to see what happends..

    I even use 1 glucophage xr 30min pre training to boost insulin sensity

    works well fore me..

  4. Banned
    Nullifidian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Age
    35
    Posts
    1,741
    Rep Power
    0

    Personally I think glutamine is bunk. Long ago it became scripture and its like no one wants to doubt it despite the fact that it is an absolutely positively 100% UNessential amino acid. Your body can and DOES produce glutamine from virtually any disgestable amino acid. The largest portion of your protein intake becomes glutamine. Why take glutamine when you could just down some whey instead??

  5. Registered User
    kwyckemynd00's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"   lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Marklar
    Age
    31
    Posts
    5,324
    Rep Power
    2844

    That was "that" particular authors position. Berardi was "counsel" to the production of the book, and he didn't go shooting off about super-glutamine anywhere.

    Either way, what about the "article"?

  6. Board Supporter
    gixxman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    The Great White North
    Age
    31
    Posts
    113
    Rep Power
    173

    I dunno i don't take glutimine and i seriously never get sick...people said it relieved soreness but i don't really find it to do that either....i mean addition of more of it to a protein shake...i agree with null u can get enough through your whey

  7. Gold Member
    Mach .78's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    1,228
    Rep Power
    727

    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    That was "that" particular authors position. Berardi was "counsel" to the production of the book, and he didn't go shooting off about super-glutamine anywhere.

    Either way, what about the "article"?
    Loved it. Book marked it. I think that is some sound nutritional advice. I'll modify what I'm doing now and follow it. Reps to you sir. Just what I was looking for tonight.

  8. Registered User
    jonny21's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Age
    46
    Posts
    2,254
    Rep Power
    3912

    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    Either way, what about the "article"?
    It makes some valid points. I am still not a big fan of that many CHO's around the workout. But then again it depends on the workout. When I start cycling in the summer I cannot get enough CHO's. So you still have to adapt to your routine/style. If I have learned anything over the years it is that there are many ways to produce solid results. That calorie calculator is way off IMO
    Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. Lao Tse 6th century BC

  9. Registered User
    kwyckemynd00's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"   lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Marklar
    Age
    31
    Posts
    5,324
    Rep Power
    2844

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny21
    It makes some valid points. I am still not a big fan of that many CHO's around the workout. But then again it depends on the workout. When I start cycling in the summer I cannot get enough CHO's. So you still have to adapt to your routine/style. If I have learned anything over the years it is that there are many ways to produce solid results. That calorie calculator is way off IMO
    What do you have against CHOs around a workout?

    I know berardi says he's big on taking in a diluted CHO/Protein drink during and immediately after a workout.

    I believe it was 0.4g/kg of protein and 0.8g/kg of carbs (majority malto, some dextrose) all in 1 liter of water. You'd taking in two of them total, one during and one after your workout, before your PWO meal. I kind of liked the idea, so I think I'm going to give it a try when I get some extra cash.

  10. Registered User
    kwyckemynd00's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"   lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Marklar
    Age
    31
    Posts
    5,324
    Rep Power
    2844

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny21
    ...That calorie calculator is way off IMO
    That's what I initially thought, but then I realized it may not be 'that' far off. I'm getting about 4100kcal maintenance cals, including all daily activity, and when I was a little larger and on bobo's diet, I was actually leaning out around that many kcals.

  11. Registered User
    jonny21's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Age
    46
    Posts
    2,254
    Rep Power
    3912

    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    What do you have against CHOs around a workout?

    I know berardi says he's big on taking in a diluted CHO/Protein drink during and immediately after a workout.

    I believe it was 0.4g/kg of protein and 0.8g/kg of carbs (majority malto, some dextrose) all in 1 liter of water. You'd taking in two of them total, one during and one after your workout, before your PWO meal. I kind of liked the idea, so I think I'm going to give it a try when I get some extra cash.
    I have nothing at all against CHO's. I Love 'Em. I just do not think it necessary to sip .8g/kg of them during workout, I will clarify that I am referring to my resistance training workouts. I do something very similar to what he rec'd during my 50-100 mile cycling days.

    The calorie calculator has me up @ ~4300 calories on resistance training only days. That is a formula for fat IMO. At least it is for me regardless of how super clean the diet may be.

    After 28yo things changed. Up until that point I could eat whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted with little worry that it would find it's way to my handles. I was just recently eating 3200 calories/day and noticed increased deposition of unwelcome adipose on my handles. Things work differently for different individuals.
    Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. Lao Tse 6th century BC

  12. Registered User
    kwyckemynd00's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"   lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Marklar
    Age
    31
    Posts
    5,324
    Rep Power
    2844

    Accidentally edited this post with an inteded reply... well, here is the reply I feel dumb.
    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    But, people are all different, too...
    <-- everybody seemed to miss this.

    And, my point was, I never thought that I'd lean out at such a ridiculous kcal intake, a diet that someone else made me proved me otherwise. So, now when I hear "this many kcal is too much and you'll just get fat" I think twice.

    And, obviously your metabolism will be slower than it was when you were in your 20s. I'm not trying to tell you your diet isn't what YOU need, and I wasn't arguing with anybody.
    Last edited by kwyckemynd00; 03-04-2006 at 09:29 PM.

  13. Registered User
    jonny21's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Age
    46
    Posts
    2,254
    Rep Power
    3912

    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    I think that's a 'what you eat' issue. I can gain fat off of that many kcals, too eating what seems to be healthy. Somehow< i was leaning out at (depending on the day of the week) between 3900 and 4500kcals. I don't think I can eat that strict forever though But, people are all different, too...
    What is your opinion on my 3200 kcal diet? Do you feel that it is not clean enough? I was not happy with the meal replacement of a Met-Rx bar but I needed a bar type MRP since I am running around a hospital without a break for the first 5 hours of my day. I have subsequently changed the bar to one with less CHO's and have removed the CHO's from my post workout shake. Altogether I removed ~500 kcals and I am still gaining just no extra fat around the handles.

    Scroll down to bottom and click on diet.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle...bol-cycle.html
    Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. Lao Tse 6th century BC

  14. Registered User
    Basso's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  240 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Age
    48
    Posts
    1,178
    Rep Power
    855

    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    I think that's a 'what you eat' issue. I can gain fat off of that many kcals, too eating what seems to be healthy. Somehow< i was leaning out at (depending on the day of the week) between 3900 and 4500kcals. I don't think I can eat that strict forever though But, people are all different, too...
    Your little discussion made me chuckle, a 22yr old and a 38yr old arguing cal intake? I always laughed at dem old guys saying wait to your my age, the weight doesn't come off so easy! When I got into my latter 30's a I found this to be less of an urban legend and more fact. Another fact is that my maintenance cal intake is lower now then when I was 25. I don't have the ability to burn fat like someone at 25, therefore even maintenance cal have to decrease. Yes it's what you eat and yes the calc needs to be adjusted for age. i.e. I can eat 2500 cal a day super clean for 4 weeks and only lose 2 pds (6meal/day 350-400p/day). So 240 to 238 in 4 weeks, when I was 25 I competed PL at 198lbs I could train at 210-215 and get to 198 in 1-2 weeks, just by cutting back on sugar and grease (my diet totally sucked back then).
    The point of my post is JBs articles can be a great source of information, he's a smart guy. The bottom line though, we each need to experiment with our diet, timing, cal intake, etc and find what works for us. Some things I do go totally against JB and some are right in line with his thinking, but for you 2 to question each other on cal intake is not really an argument that makes much sense to me, 16yrs makes a huge diverence in how you approach a diet!

    Just my O

  15. Registered User
    jonny21's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Age
    46
    Posts
    2,254
    Rep Power
    3912

    Quote Originally Posted by Basso
    but for you 2 to question each other on cal intake is not really an argument that makes much sense to me, 16yrs makes a huge diverence in how you approach a diet!

    Just my O
    And that is an excellent opinion. The whole point of discussions like this is to weed out a lot of unecessary bull****. Those with different experiences get to voice them and hopefully we can see that there really is no cookie cutter approach and that things are highly individual depending on a multitude of factors.

    Hopefully all differences in opinion are not considered an argument. I am not attempting to change anyones opinion or viewpoint about their caloric needs or propensity for fat gain. Just expressing mine. If my comments appeared in anyway inflammatory/argumentative that was not the intent. I have a good working knowledge of nutrition and was stating my observations/experience based on being a 38yo male.

    I have a tremendous amount of respect for many on this board and kwyckemynd00 happens to be one of them otherwise I would not have even participated in this discussion.
    Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. Lao Tse 6th century BC

  16. Registered User
    Basso's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  240 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Age
    48
    Posts
    1,178
    Rep Power
    855

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny21
    And that is an excellent opinion. The whole point of discussions like this is to weed out a lot of unecessary bull****. Those with different experiences get to voice them and hopefully we can see that there really is no cookie cutter approach and that things are highly individual depending on a multitude of factors.

    Hopefully all differences in opinion are not considered an argument. I am not attempting to change anyones opinion or viewpoint about their caloric needs or propensity for fat gain. Just expressing mine. If my comments appeared in anyway inflammatory/argumentative that was not the intent. I have a good working knowledge of nutrition and was stating my observations/experience based on being a 38yo male.

    I have a tremendous amount of respect for many on this board and kwyckemynd00 happens to be one of them otherwise I would not have even participated in this discussion.
    I was using the word "arguement", I could have used "discussion", I was not suggesting a fighting arguement, I was just throwing in my opinion and experience, wasn't trying to start something, my point was that age can make a big difference in diet requirements and that JB is worth reading!

  17. Anabolic Innovations Owner
    Board Sponsor
    CROWLER's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    6,549
    Rep Power
    4828

    Quote Originally Posted by Basso
    Your little discussion made me chuckle, a 22yr old and a 38yr old arguing cal intake? I always laughed at dem old guys saying wait to your my age, the weight doesn't come off so easy! When I got into my latter 30's a I found this to be less of an urban legend and more fact. Another fact is that my maintenance cal intake is lower now then when I was 25. I don't have the ability to burn fat like someone at 25, therefore even maintenance cal have to decrease. Yes it's what you eat and yes the calc needs to be adjusted for age. i.e. I can eat 2500 cal a day super clean for 4 weeks and only lose 2 pds (6meal/day 350-400p/day). So 240 to 238 in 4 weeks, when I was 25 I competed PL at 198lbs I could train at 210-215 and get to 198 in 1-2 weeks, just by cutting back on sugar and grease (my diet totally sucked back then).
    The point of my post is JBs articles can be a great source of information, he's a smart guy. The bottom line though, we each need to experiment with our diet, timing, cal intake, etc and find what works for us. Some things I do go totally against JB and some are right in line with his thinking, but for you 2 to question each other on cal intake is not really an argument that makes much sense to me, 16yrs makes a huge diverence in how you approach a diet!

    Just my O
    How different different bodies can be. I am older than you,infact I am a grampa

    If I reduced my cals to 2500 a day in a month I would be skin and bones. I can cut on 3500 and lose a couple pounds a week with no cardio. Infact I was cutting with skip about 2 years ago on 4000 cals with just 1 hour of walking as my cardio. To bulk I go 5000 to 6000 cals including pizza and icecream and don't get much over 13%.


    CROWLER
    Sleep Supplement 3Z BCAA: Red Raspberry and Lemon flavors
    HGH/sleep enhancer: HGHpro
    Test Booster: TestoPRO and STOKED!
    Preworkout: MANIAC Fruit Punch and Pink Lemonade

  18. Registered User
    kwyckemynd00's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"   lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Marklar
    Age
    31
    Posts
    5,324
    Rep Power
    2844

    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    But, people are all different, too...
    <-- everybody seemed to miss this.

    And, my point was, I never thought that I'd lean out at such a ridiculous kcal intake, a diet that someone else made me proved me otherwise. So, now when I hear "this many kcal is too much and you'll just get fat" I think twice.

    And, obviously your metabolism will be slower than it was when you were in your 20s. I'm not trying to tell you your diet isn't what YOU need, and I wasn't arguing with anybody.

    edit: Oh, and Johnny21, I don't know why you think his calculator was off in the first place, I calculated your "estimated" kcal intake off of his calc and it was 3400 kcal for maint. lol

    That's only 200 above what you're taking.

    Back to the original 'nutrient timing' article...lol. I don't think I got one response that actually discussed nutrient timing....oh well. Time to go back to posting in the adult section, I always get the responses I"m looking for there j/k

  19. Registered User
    jonny21's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Age
    46
    Posts
    2,254
    Rep Power
    3912

    I know I started out discussing it but somehow got off topic. when I use his calculator I come up with ~4300 calories
    Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. Lao Tse 6th century BC

  20. I am faster than 80% of all snakes
    Dwight Schrute's Avatar
    Stats
    6'1"  221 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Southwest Florida
    Age
    41
    Posts
    12,925
    Rep Power
    7021

    I'll answer. His article is based on good information but slightly flawed as he was doing work for Biotest to push Surge!. His article has many valid points but if you look at some of the studies he references his conclusions are somewhat....stretched. If you want to have a clear interpretation then go to the authors which would predominantly be Tipton (which Ivy followed) and see what he says. Tipton has made is known (I don't have the transcipts) that even with his own studies that the timing would have to followed be an extremely long period of time (24 months I tihnk he said) to have any results that showed a significiant improvement. So if Tipton himself doens't put much relevance on precise timing and pricese carbohydrate amounts then we probably shouldn't either. Technically much of what Berardi says is right, althougb somewhat exaggerated, but the differences that you will see is probably non-existant.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/image...et/twitter.png http://anabolicminds.com/forum/image...t/facebook.png

    For answers to board issues, read the Suggestion and News forum at the bottom of the main page.

  •   

      
     

Page 1 of 2 12 Last

Similar Forum Threads

  1. Awesome articles by John Berardi
    By ozarkaBRAND in forum Nutrition / Health
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: 11-08-2008, 09:31 AM
  2. *ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION-NEW Nutrient Timing article in MD!*
    By Athletic Edge N in forum Supplements
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 11-01-2007, 03:48 PM
  3. E-Book Giveaway from Dr. John Berardi
    By Quinc in forum General Chat
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 03-16-2007, 01:38 PM
  4. John Berardi's Get Shredded Diet
    By ktw in forum Weight Loss
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 07-20-2006, 09:49 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Log in

Log in

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.