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I wanted to get some advice on trying out a program, as far as time goes I have rarely any during the week. I will break this down on what my work schedule consists of.*

Mon-tue go to bed at 1-2pm wake up 8pm ready to be at work 10:30pm I'm home by 1:30pm*

Tue-Wed be at bed by 2:30-3:00pm wake up 10:30pm *I'm home by *1:30pm

Wed-Thur be at bed by 3:30-4:00pm wake up 11:30 I'm home by 3:30-4:00pm

Fri/ be at bed by 6:00pm wake up 12:30am I'm home by 12:00pm

As you can see my schedule and going to the gym during those days would not work for me, so I thought it over, and I could possibly go fri afternoon, *sat-mon in the mornings.

My job is very active I am a truck driver for a major supplier for a major corporate company making deliveries . The delivery process is*
unloading a trailer that is roughly 8k lbs-15k lbs using a hand cart.

I really never lifted weights during my life my only excersises where basically cardio/calisthenics.

My height 5"9 my weight 165-170lbs*

I was a health freak at one point I always watches what I ate but during last year and the beginning *of this year I started to pig out not watching my weight just eating anything and everything I gained about 10-15lbs all in the gut.

Well my question is what kind of plan/program could I start with being a beginner?

Supplements that I already purchased:*Norcodrene, select protien, forskolin95, alpha t2 and adipose annihilation v2

My goal is to lose this fat and bulk with some muscles.

I read through the 5/3/1 program, looks interesting not sure if it for me. Looking to bulk up and cut up.
 

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If you are at work 14-15 hours a day and your weekdays are tougher to get W/O's in!?, then starting with a beginner routine, even 2 days per week, will or can go far, depending on how bad you want something.
Get acclimated with exercises and a reg fitness regimen first by staying simple.
Something like 3-4 sets of 8-10 reps in the compound exercises a few times per week will do the best IMO. Star tlow and way within your means, then build over time.

Rough example...

Day 1
Squat or leg press 3x8-12 reps
BP's 3x8-12
Rows or Pull Dwns 3x8-12
Curls 2x 8-10

Day 2
OHP's 3x8-12
Deadlifts 2x8-10
Press dwns or tri xtens 3x8-10
Ab or core work




Making habits of regular W/O's will go farther to keep one dialed in so to speak.
Eat clean
Rest when it it time to rest
Stay simple and just focus on getting to the gym and making it a part of the weekly routine
Advanced routines or too much structure (at this juncture) will IMO, only have one losing interest after a short while, since their lives are already pretty structured with work etc.

First and foremost, make training fun and look forward too it and it will serve you for a lifetime. Set small goals over say a month, (like losing #5 and adding a few pounds to the bar) and couple them with longer higher goals. Weeks turn into months, months into years. It becomes a process of health and fitness that way.
 

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I am a very dedicated person once my mind is made up it is basically made up. I really want to get into a program that could help me with my health and looks, I went out yesterday afternoon drove around my neighborhood checking out some gym's and I decided to join gold's gym thats about 2 miles up the road. But before I pull the trigger and commit of paying the monthly fee I want to get a solid foot down on what kind of program I could get into since my work week is so crazy. I been searching back and forth through different forums and found this site to be the most stable that is not commercially used with gimmicks. While searching this forum I bumped into a thread from 2008 and found a awesome template made by a forum user anabolicmindsdotcom/forum/training-forum/95102-looking-best-5x5.html I guess this was made from dawaro.

As far as being bored with a program lol my job consists of doing the same thing everyday so i stay dedicated because I have bills to pay so I look at working out as being dedicated to further enhance my health and physique. I private messaged EBF to get of some sort of clue on how to rotate my supplements, I got some sort of a idea? still really wouldn't know how to utilize it during the week. I did get a good idea of where my caloric range of intake should be. Thanks for the response I appreciate it.
 
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I wanted to get some advice on trying out a program, as far as time goes I have rarely any during the week. I will break this down on what my work schedule consists of.*

Mon-tue go to bed at 1-2pm wake up 8pm ready to be at work 10:30pm I'm home by 1:30pm*

Tue-Wed be at bed by 2:30-3:00pm wake up 10:30pm *I'm home by *1:30pm
So you sleep from 1:30pm to 8pm, at work from 10:30pm all the way until 1:30pm the next day?

You work 15 hour days with 6.5 hours of sleep? Im not sure when you will be able to even squeeze a workout in during the week

You mentioned you could possibly fit in a workout on fridays. I would just do a simple basic full body workout those days as opposed to 531 or any similar program.
 

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As far as being bored with a program lol my job consists of doing the same thing everyday so i stay dedicated because I have bills to pay so I look at working out as being dedicated to further enhance my health and physique.
Well, I did not really mention "being bored" per se, but that complicated routines with a lot of exercises and differing set/rep schemes are usually harder to follow and worse for less experienced lifters and rarely equates to progression and or simple gains.
Even advanced guys I know, when pressed for time and with less actual time available, stick with very simple routines, since they can focus all their energy on a handful of exercises even 1 or 2 times per week and make excellent progress.
IMO, a beginner should work on focus, consistency, honing and perfecting the form of the big exercises and adding small weight over time, for the best gains and progressions. IMO, everything else is below that and will not equate to better or "best" gains.
As far as boring, IMO lifting is pretty fundamentally boring really. The fun and excitement I get from it, is not from complication or extravagant routines or the same old days in days out, but from setting goals and making progress. And as I said, that can be made on very simple templates.
 

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So you sleep from 1:30pm to 8pm, at work from 10:30pm all the way until 1:30pm the next day?

You work 15 hour days with 6.5 hours of sleep? Im not sure when you will be able to even squeeze a workout in during the week

You mentioned you could possibly fit in a workout on fridays. I would just do a simple basic full body workout those days as opposed to 531 or any similar program.
That is just on Monday-Tue I'm usually just driving from 10:30pm until 12:30am then the madness will start, I live upstate by exit 17 off the thruway so basically takes me about 1hr 1/2 to get into the city. That would be the only day I get about 6.5hr of sleep I could defiantly workout fri-mon, how about those supplements that I purchased could I take those even during the week, and incorporate it with my job since I'm doing physical activities? Thanks for the reply. I believed I PM'ed you last week got no response.. I was trying to get some advice about those supplements.
 

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Well, I did not really mention "being bored" per se, but that complicated routines with a lot of exercises and differing set/rep schemes are usually harder to follow and worse for less experienced lifters and rarely equates to progression and or simple gains.
Even advanced guys I know, when pressed for time and with less actual time available, stick with very simple routines, since they can focus all their energy on a handful of exercises even 1 or 2 times per week and make excellent progress.
As far as boring, IMO lifting is pretty fundamentally boring really. The fun and excitement I get from it, is not from complication or extravagant routines or the same old days in days out, but from setting goals and making progress. And as I said, that can be made on very simple templates.
Hey Paul I can't agree just yet about a program being boring, I will definitely take your consideration since you do have the experience. Not sure if you guy's took a look at that link I posted on the first post, there is about 12 programs in that template if you guy's got time could you possibly look to see what one of those I could possibly use during those days to get the maximum potential I can?
 
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That is just on Monday-Tue I'm usually just driving from 10:30pm until 12:30am then the madness will start, I live upstate by exit 17 off the thruway so basically takes me about 1hr 1/2 to get into the city. That would be the only day I get about 6.5hr of sleep I could defiantly workout fri-mon, how about those supplements that I purchased could I take those even during the week, and incorporate it with my job since I'm doing physical activities? Thanks for the reply. I believed I PM'ed you last week got no response.. I was trying to get some advice about those supplements.
Sorry i must have missed the PM. I will go look for it now and get back to you ASAP
 

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Sorry i must have missed the PM. I will go look for it now and get back to you ASAP
Things have changed since that message I sent you, thought of just doing cardio with those supplements did some soul searching and now understand those supplements should be incorporated with a good program to make it work. Still wouldn't know how to stack them during the work week?
 
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I wanted to get some advice on trying out a program, as far as time goes I have rarely any during the week. I will break this down on what my work schedule consists of.*

Mon-tue go to bed at 1-2pm wake up 8pm ready to be at work 10:30pm I'm home by 1:30pm*

Tue-Wed be at bed by 2:30-3:00pm wake up 10:30pm *I'm home by *1:30pm

Wed-Thur be at bed by 3:30-4:00pm wake up 11:30 I'm home by 3:30-4:00pm

Fri/ be at bed by 6:00pm wake up 12:30am I'm home by 12:00pm

As you can see my schedule and going to the gym during those days would not work for me, so I thought it over, and I could possibly go fri afternoon, *sat-mon in the mornings.

My job is very active I am a truck driver for a major supplier for a major corporate company making deliveries . The delivery process is*
unloading a trailer that is roughly 8k lbs-15k lbs using a hand cart.

I really never lifted weights during my life my only excersises where basically cardio/calisthenics.

My height 5"9 my weight 165-170lbs*

I was a health freak at one point I always watches what I ate but during last year and the beginning *of this year I started to pig out not watching my weight just eating anything and everything I gained about 10-15lbs all in the gut.

Well my question is what kind of plan/program could I start with being a beginner?

Supplements that I already purchased:*Norcodrene, select protien, forskolin95, alpha t2 and adipose annihilation v2

My goal is to lose this fat and bulk with some muscles.

I read through the 5/3/1 program, looks interesting not sure if it for me. Looking to bulk up and cut up.
"My goal is to lose this fat and bulk with some muscles."

This line sticks out to me.

It's tough making a left turn and a right turn at the same time.

I would pick one direction and really place your focus in that aspect.
 

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"My goal is to lose this fat and bulk with some muscles."

This line sticks out to me.

It's tough making a left turn and a right turn at the same time.

I would pick one direction and really place your focus in that aspect.
I think I found a program that I could get use to I got this from buffdudes wondering what you guys think? I would be taking Sundays off.

Day one:FRIDAY

Chest & Triceps
Cable iron crosses - This exercise is starting off the workout helping pre-exhaust the chest. Standing upright in line with the cables you adduct the arms to the front of the body squeezing the chest together. This is a isolation exercise so make sure to keep your arms straight and only using the shoulder joint as the lever to perform the movement. 3 sets, 15 reps

Bench press - now that the chest is pre-exhausted, move on to the most well known and best exercise for the chest. This is a major compound movement and will help build the overall chest development. Pyramid up in weight as you decrease the repetitions in this exercise. 4 sets, 15, 12, 10, 8, 8 reps

Incline dumbbell fly w/ close press - Pairing up a isolation exercise (fly) with a compound close grip press. This superset will blast those upper fibers of the chest and will help build those fully developed pecs. Start with the fly, only bending from the shoulder joint and bring the dumbbells all the way together until they touch and immediately go into the close press, squeezing the chest throughout the motion. 4 sets, 10 reps (each)

Single arm dumbbell press - This unilateral exercise will not only help with any asymmetrical problems in the chest but will also utilize the core because of the added stabilization needed throughout the motion. Bring the dumbbell slightly inward squeezing at the top position for added stress in the inner fibers. 4 sets, 10 reps.

Giant set - triceps. Overhand extensions, Underhand extensions, rope extensions - With these three exercises done back to back you will totally blast the three triceps heads into oblivion. Working on the lateral, long, and medial heads completely. Don't worry if you have to slightly decrease the weight on any one of the exercise to complete the full giant set for the full amount of reps. 4 sets, 10 reps each exercise = 30 reps total for the 4 sets.

cross bench alternating triceps dips - finishing off the workout with one of the best compound movements for those triceps. Add an alternating movement into the exercise and you get a little help with those asymmetrical issues in those triceps. Imagine a upside-down V and follow the lines throughout the motion, starting from either the right or left side first. If you want some added weight to the exercise, drop a plate or dumbbell in your lap. 4 sets, 20 reps (10 reps each side)


Second day: SATURDAY


Pull-Ups are one of the best exercises that work the entire back and that's exactly why we are starting off this workout with them. Start in the stretched position and pull your shoulders down and back as you bend the elbows. Get a nice squeeze at the top and slowly let your body down into the start position. 4 sets, and in-between 10 - 15 reps. If you cant complete pull-ups then change the exercise to pull downs.

Under hand bent over rows - this exercise is meant to build thickness in the mid and upper back. With the under hand grip the palms will be supinated and will put more stress on the biceps throughout the motion. 4 sets. 12,10,8,8 reps

Lawn mowers - this movement will focus on the Lats. Focus on the stretch in the starting position, pulling the shoulder back while bending at the elbow to get the complete contraction of the lats. 4 sets. 10 -12 reps

Back extensions - Helping focus on the lower back. Erector spinae muscles as well as the lower lat fibers. Keep the core tight while performing this exercise and as you contract and extend the lower back to pull your body to the straight position, try keeping the tempo slow and controlled. 4 sets. 12 reps.

Incline bench curls - the starting position will be focusing on the stretch and your biceps will have to work harder to contract through the motion due to the angle of the joints. Try to bend only in the elbow joint and keep the shoulders in the neutral position while you complete this motion. 3 sets. 12 reps.

Preacher bench curls - Helping totally isolate the biceps by making it nearly impossible to use the shoulders to help with the movement. This exercise puts a massive amount of stress on the biceps and will build those guns. Bring the bar low to feel the stretch in the biceps and contract those guns to bring the bar up, get a nice squeeze and slowly let the bar back down. Also, keep the hips back while completing the motion so you cant get any help with the hips or legs. 3 sets. 10 reps.

Hammer rope curls - working on not only the biceps but also the extensors of the forearms, this exercise is a great mass builder for those guns. Start in the stretched position and drag the hands right along the body by flexing the biceps and bending the elbows. Cables are a great way to keep constant tension throughout the full range of motion. 3 sets. 10 reps.




Third day:MONDAY


SQUATS - Starting off this workout is the squats. Considered the best exercise for the legs, this will involve over 250 muscles in the body and require a massive amount of energy to perform. Keep the core tight and always push through the heels while keeping the back straight. 6 sets. 20 (warmup set), 15, 12, 10, 8, 8 reps.

ROMANIAN DEADLIFTS - This exercise isolates the hamstrings but will involve many different muscles to perform such as the glutes, upper back, core, forearms (grip strength). Make sure you work on the flexion and extension of the hips throughout this motion while keeping your shoulder blades pinched tight and the back straight. 5 sets. 12 reps.

WALKING LUNGES - Working the quads, hamstrings, glutes, core, with many other muscle groups, this is another essential compound movement that should be a staple in your workout regimen. With added weight and the acceleration and deceleration of your mass through the motion, this will require a large amount of energy. Stepping from heel to toe and pushing through the heel to the top position, keep your shoulders pinched back and flexed while keeping your core tight and chest up. 4 sets. 12 steps per set.

OVERHEAD PRESS - Starting off shoulders with this major compound movement is the overhead press. Working all three heads of the deltoids with triceps being a secondary muscle group, but it will also work that core because of the raised center of gravity at the top position. Keep your hand grip just about shoulder width and lock the knees. As you press to the top position, squeeze the traps at the top and slowly let the weight back down. 5 sets. 15, 12, 10, 8, 8.

LYING SIDE LATERAL RAISE - Isolating the lateral head of the deltoids. Being that the lateral head is not really a secondary muscle group in any major lifts, its always a good idea to pay extra attention to this muscle group. Lying on a incline bench that is close to a 45 degree angle on your side, start with the dumbbell at your side or slightly below, pull with the pinkie while flexing the shoulder and stopping just short of vertical to the floor. 4 sets. 12 reps.

SUPERSET -

STEERING WHEELS - Working on an isometric contraction that helps with overall strength and definition. Keep your arms straight and parallel with the floor while turning from left to right or visa versa at a modest pace. Keep the motion up for 30 seconds with the desired weight. 4 sets. 30 seconds.

SHRUGS - Isolating the traps by slowly raising the shoulders as if you're going to touch the ears. Keep the pace slow and controlled and squeeze the traps at the top position and then slowly let the shoulder drop to the bottom position. 4 sets. 12 reps.

STANDING CALF RAISES - Focus on getting the full range of motion, from the total stretch position with the heels down, slowly flex the calf muscles and raise the heels up while you flex and squeeze. The pace of this exercise is key. Keep it slow and controlled through the full range of motion. 4 sets. 15 reps.

HANGING LEG RAISE - Putting extra stress on the lower fibers of the abdominal muscles. Work on the flexion of the spine and rotation of the hips while you crunch the lower half of the body upward. Focus on breathing through the motion, exhaling at the top position while flexing the abs. 3 sets. 20 reps.

CABLE TWISTS - Working on the transverse abdominal. Keep the hips solid with a wide stance and start with the shoulders facing the cable machine and contract the abs to twist the upper half of the body away from the cable. The arms will be slightly bent and located about the midline of the body through the motion. 3 sets. 15 reps.

AB MACHINE CRUNCH - This is going to totally isolate the abs and is useful for building the size and strength of the abdominal muscles. Take a deep breath and start to exhale will contracting the abs and while returning to the top position inhale. Repeat with no stops between reps. 4 sets. 10 reps.
 

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Ok so since no one answered maybe I could give a little detail on where I stand?

I'm 5"9
BF 22.0
BMI 24.6
BW 56.8
BONE 7.7
Weight 167.2

As you already know I am in the process of joining a gym I heard & read contradictory of why I should or why I shouldn't I go to a gym, just need the go ahead from someone with knowledge a guru, per se would I be benefiting or hurting myself with all the activity that I already acquire from my job? Now I figured that three day work out would benifit me am I wrong should it be only two day's? The supplements that I purchased from NP should I return them and take a cut of lost since they do a restocking fee? I'm just trying to learn a little about everything trying to grasp what's real and what's not, what I should be taking as far as supplements,how much food I should be eating, what foods to buy, where do I start? I have no mentor to show me the path so I ask as a favor to help a brother out. I just want to get fit and healthy, I don't want to be a fat slob sitting on the couch eating Doritos for the rest of my life lol. What to do? This whole getting in shape is giving me a headache there is so much to learn having my job kills my day so I take 30 min out of my life to come here, and read there is so much that I get lost in the translation, I ask questions private message other members I get ignored.
 

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Lol thanks for all the advice guys I appreciate it. Didn't know that you have to already know what your doing in the gym to get some feed back on this forum. I'll be returning those supplements back, and getting some feed back else where.
 

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Well, not a "guru", but I still stick by my first post, keeping things simple and easy to learn IMO, which is why I pretty much quit answering or only added to what I thought would be helpful for someone with little or no experience!?!?
As far as supplements, they pale in comparison to any work or effort one puts in the gym on a consistent basis and regular solid food will get anyone to near the 80%-90% potential.

All the best with what you decide to do...!

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I know the supplements are just an aid just wanted to know how would i go about stacking them, should i be taking them on my off days from the gym and incorporating them while im at work since im doing physical activities? I just started working out yesterday. I finally joined the gym. I really like this forum I see only selective people on here getting different treatments though, if my question are not up to par to beign answered I would like to know why? I thought the forum was to help each other to get a full understanding of what and what not to do.
 
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Welcome to AM.

Supplements
I think you may receive more help on the supplement use by first doing a search of the forums for the supplement in question. You will see plenty of feedback for each of the supplements you listed. Most people here on AM will not be so quick to help someone unless they have done their due diligence in researching first.

Training
Same as above. There are tons of training logs that follow great programs like Starting Strength, 5/3/1, Stronglifts, etc. Just pick a routine and follow it.

Diet
You admitted that your diet needs to be improved and you were once a very healthy person that let their diet degrade. This tells me that you need to get your diet corrected ASAP. No amount of supplementation will correct diet issues although those supplements will help curb your cravings for carbs.

Great people here on AM.
 

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Welcome to AM.

Supplements
I think you may receive more help on the supplement use by first doing a search of the forums for the supplement in question. You will see plenty of feedback for each of the supplements you listed. Most people here on AM will not be so quick to help someone unless they have done their due diligence in researching first.

Training
Same as above. There are tons of training logs that follow great programs like Starting Strength, 5/3/1, Stronglifts, etc. Just pick a routine and follow it.

Diet
You admitted that your diet needs to be improved and you were once a very healthy person that let their diet degrade. This tells me that you need to get your diet corrected ASAP. No amount of supplementation will correct diet issues although those supplements will help curb your cravings for carbs.

Great people here on AM.

Thanks for the quick response, I am already getting my diet in check, eating properly, threw out all the junk food I had in my cabinets :biggthumpup: started watching some good videos on YouTube on recipes even making my own protien bars. I do use the search function vigorously trust me I have been lurking for the past 3 months. I haven't found a thread like mine really, especially how my job is structured, havent found any threads that gets into depth about taking supplements even when not working out at the gym, like in my case I still do plenty of activities during the week as you can see I have to unload nearly 10-12k pounds a day and that's not with a pallet jack I'm using a hand cart to hump the product in the store so there is constant moving. For instance I found many forums/threads here and there about creatine and if creatine could be used even on your off days well I found my answer and it's yes. Yet I haven't found anything that states those supplements that I purchased could be taken even on your off days out the gym. Thanks for the help.
 
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Good first steps. I've never taken any of the supplements you listed except for PES Select Protein. That one I take after heavy lifting or if I'm not reaching my protein goal for the day.

As for your questions on those other supplements, I'd post your questions in the specific manufacturer's forum. For example, Norcodrene is a PES product. Find the existing thread on Norcodrene (I checked and it exists) and ask your question in the thread. The PES reps will be all over there and I'm sure happy to answer questions and support you.
 

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