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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    Bulgarian split squats are not bad for your knees, and will humble most lifters in a hurry.
    ^ second this. BGS are tough. A good way to really work the legs without loading your spine as much. I do em with DBs, but can be done with BB or goblet hold single DB. Doesn't take the place of the squat but a great accessory lift


  2. Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post
    Yeah, but apple juice gives me the s.hits, that's prolly why I stay far away from CF...
    lol
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  3. Epolis thank u

    Would u mind explaining the acronyms?

    I want to win the crossfit games how do I do this?
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by theish11 View Post
    Epolis thank u

    Would u mind explaining the acronyms?

    I want to win the crossfit games how do I do this?
    Sure. HBBS = high bar back squat. This is in comparison to LBBS (low bar back squat) and refers to the position of the bar on your back. In HBBS, it's up high, as the name would suggest, typically stacked on top of your traps. LBBS is down further between your shoulder blades. Most ppl perform HBBS - it's far less awkward (LBBS can push you down/forward due to the bar positioning) and translates more into Olympic lifts (cleans, snatches, etc). WOD = workout of the day. It typically varies in length: some are short and sweet and others are focused on endurance. I've done WODs that have taken me as few as 3 minutes, and I've done one that takes 55-60 minutes. However, as I mentioned, programming varies greatly at every CrossFit gym, so your WODs will be different everywhere. CrossFit does have some standard WODs that they call "benchmark" WODs that are used to establish a baseline when you first start and then can be re-measured to assess progress.

    To win the CrossFit games - it's gonna take years and years of devotion to the oly lifts, the CrossFit skills (double-unders, handstand pushups, etc) and to getting your conditioning where it needs to be. I just started CrossFitting this year and am competing in the open and I feel like I have NO BUSINESS there, haha. I'm actually doing well because I'm strong, but my skill work and my conditioning are just not the same as the elite folks. To give you an idea of some of the #s that the best of the best are putting up: the guy who won the CF Games last year can snatch 300#. That's crazy talk.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Epolis13 View Post
    To win the CrossFit games - it's gonna take years and years of devotion to the oly lifts, the CrossFit skills (double-unders, handstand pushups, etc) and to getting your conditioning where it needs to be. I just started CrossFitting this year and am competing in the open and I feel like I have NO BUSINESS there, haha. I'm actually doing well because I'm strong, but my skill work and my conditioning are just not the same as the elite folks. To give you an idea of some of the #s that the best of the best are putting up: the guy who won the CF Games last year can snatch 300#. That's crazy talk.
    As Beth said it isn't going to happen over night. I would suggest getting a strength base. It is going to be the quickest way to progress. Maybe do some skill training but nothing too crazy. Prioritize your goals first. Being strong should be your number one goal. That is what the top crossfitters are working on first now. Hated crossfit from the start but I will say they are adaptive. It used to be just randomness of whatever could beat their bodies up. Now you see more work on strength. They did a great job of getting some of the top/well known powerlifting coaches to come in and coach. It shows they realized what they were doing wasn't quite going to work. Cant imagine what the games would have looked like years ago. That said still cant like it because it is still HQ and I have read enough to think they are scum. But that shouldn't keep you from a box. Just try one out and see if you can find a decent one. I went to one and they were happy to let me try it out for a week free.
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  6. Thanks to everyone. That's kind if what I thought was to start by building strength. To me physique doesn't really excite me or make me feel like an athlete. If I changed my diet and ate boiled chicken and broccoli for 3 weeks my abs would probably pop out, my body fat would be under 10% an then of course I could go tan and throw on a pair of board shorts and flex on stage. That just doesn't really connect with me though. I know nothing about cf but some of the games on tv look like something I would like to try. Didn't mean to sound arrogant that was just boredom and goofiness. So here's the ultimate question.

    Can I get stronger and faster at the same time? Not necessarily add more lean mass just be stronger. I'm 185 and probably around 13% of course I would want to bench more dead lift more squat more and shoulder press more and also run faster swim faster do more pull-ups and push ups etc. how do u do this?
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by theish11 View Post
    Thanks to everyone. That's kind if what I thought was to start by building strength. To me physique doesn't really excite me or make me feel like an athlete. If I changed my diet and ate boiled chicken and broccoli for 3 weeks my abs would probably pop out, my body fat would be under 10% an then of course I could go tan and throw on a pair of board shorts and flex on stage. That just doesn't really connect with me though. I know nothing about cf but some of the games on tv look like something I would like to try. Didn't mean to sound arrogant that was just boredom and goofiness. So here's the ultimate question.

    Can I get stronger and faster at the same time? Not necessarily add more lean mass just be stronger. I'm 185 and probably around 13% of course I would want to bench more dead lift more squat more and shoulder press more and also run faster swim faster do more pull-ups and push ups etc. how do u do this?
    Strength is all about programming. I love 5/3/1, personally. You may not necessarily get BIGGER, size-wise, unless you're eating in a surplus, but you can still gain strength. When I started, I was cleaning 85#.......now I'm cleaning 155# - my weight has stayed roughly the same the entire time. I don't calculate anything - no macros, no cals, no nada. I just eat and make sure I get protein at every single meal. If you're smart about your programming, the answer is yes. You'd be surprised at how lifting heavy on deads and squats will actually help you with your speed. Additionally, I like to do stuff with the prowler to help with my explosive speed. In the off season when I'm working on strength, I do 3 METcons a week: tabata wall balls, prowler pushes/pulls, and a 10 minute triplet (3 of crossfit's moves grouped together and performed at max effort/intensity/wt for 10 mins). That's really it. I stay in shape all year and also get strong as s**t. Just don't eat like a turd and be really smart about your strength programming and you can achieve all of that.

    If I were you, I'd research the different CF gyms in your area and visit ALL of them. Find the ones with the best coaches, particularly the best strength coaches. See if any have any oly certs, ask about programming, etc. I typically work with a coach 1:1 in the off season and then work with the rest of the crossfit community when I'm trying to get better conditioned.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    Subbed for entertainment
    How many CrossFitters does it take to change a light bulb?

    Three! One to do it, one to time it and one to brag to everyone "see crossfit is functional bro!"


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  9. Quote Originally Posted by theish11 View Post
    My goal is to be Better than everyone at everything
    most crossfit people ACT LIKE they are better than everyone at everything (unfortunately for them though they are just delusional) but as others have stated they can be DECENT at most things kind of jack of all trades master of none.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by rhoadx View Post
    most crossfit people ACT LIKE they are better than everyone at everything (unfortunately for them though they are just delusional) but as others have stated they can be DECENT at most things kind of jack of all trades master of none.
    And just how can you go about claiming you know the thoughts of "most" people? Lemme guess, you met one or two guys with bad attitudes and decided everyone who does it thinks they are arrogant! You sir, are a [email protected]

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Wrivest View Post
    And just how can you go about claiming you know the thoughts of "most" people? Lemme guess, you met one or two guys with bad attitudes and decided everyone who does it thinks they are arrogant! You sir, are a [email protected]
    never said i knew their thoughts, said they act like. also have met quite a few of crossfitters and they have had that elitest attitude. not to mention the winner of the crossfit games is called the "fittest man on the planet" gtfo with that

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Wrivest View Post

    And just how can you go about claiming you know the thoughts of "most" people? Lemme guess, you met one or two guys with bad attitudes and decided everyone who does it thinks they are arrogant! You sir, are a [email protected]
    We have some at our gym and they do carry an arrogant air about them! I just sit back and laugh at them to be honest. To sacrifice form/technique for speed is ridiculous! Always waiting to hear something tear or break!! All the kicking they do to complete chins or dips is hilarious to watch......IMO. Lol

  13. Quote Originally Posted by theish11 View Post
    Epolis thank u

    Would u mind explaining the acronyms?

    I want to win the crossfit games how do I do this?

    Find a really good coach. Not you avg. run of the mill CF coach. Do not follow the main site. Most of the folks you see compete in the games deviate from the traditional mantra of CF. And as of the latter years strength has played a more dominating factor in the games.

    Ben Bergeron has this to say...

    "CrossFit is training for the unknown and unknowable, but for top athletes, knowing the date of game day changes the game, Ben Bergeron says.“We’re no longer training for the unknown and unknowable. We’re no longer training for ‘a constant, ready state,’” the co-owner and head coach ofCrossFit New England says of athletes competing at Regionals and the CrossFit Games.
    He adds: “We know when game day is. It’s the middle of July.”
    Likewise, Bergeron breaks up the year so his athletes peak at the Games:

    • August: rest and recovery.
    • September and October: strength.
    • November and December: speed strength.
    • January: solely dedicated to weaknesses.
    • February and March: met-cons.
    • April and May: Regional prep.
    • June and July: Games prep.

    In the case of Regional competition, where the workouts are known weeks before game day, it’s “irresponsible” not to train the movements if the goal is to go the Games, Bergeron says.
    “Those six weeks, we are no longer CrossFitters,” he explains. “We are deadlift-box jump specialists, we are thruster specialists, we are Amanda specialists. … We specialize those workouts. We excel at them. We know the workouts inside, outside cold, frontwards and backwards. We know exactly the stimulus. … We are peaked at those movements.”
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    Find a really good coach. Not you avg. run of the mill CF coach. Do not follow the main site. Most of the folks you see compete in the games deviate from the traditional mantra of CF. And as of the latter years strength has played a more dominating factor in the games.Ben Bergeron has this to say..."CrossFit is training for the unknown and unknowable, but for top athletes, knowing the date of game day changes the game, Ben Bergeron says.“We’re no longer training for the unknown and unknowable. We’re no longer training for ‘a constant, ready state,’” the co-owner and head coach of CFNE says of athletes competing at Regionals and the CrossFit Games.He adds: “We know when game day is. It’s the middle of July.”Likewise, Bergeron breaks up the year so his athletes peak at the Games:
    • August: rest and recovery.
    • September and October: strength.
    • November and December: speed strength.
    • January: solely dedicated to weaknesses.
    • February and March: met-cons.
    • April and May: Regional prep.
    • June and July: Games prep.

    In the case of Regional competition, where the workouts are known weeks before game day, it’s “irresponsible” not to train the movements if the goal is to go the Games, Bergeron says.“Those six weeks, we are no longer CrossFitters,” he explains. “We are deadlift-box jump specialists, we are thruster specialists, we are Amanda specialists. … We specialize those workouts. We excel at them. We know the workouts inside, outside cold, frontwards and backwards. We know exactly the stimulus. … We are peaked at those movements.”
    Awesome post, and spot on. Yes, those of us who compete treat it more like a sport and train as such. We have a year-long plan and stick to it. Agree on the coaching front, as well. Good stuff.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by rhoadx View Post
    never said i knew their thoughts, said they act like. also have met quite a few of crossfitters and they have had that elitest attitude. not to mention the winner of the crossfit games is called the "fittest man on the planet" gtfo with that
    If you have ever seen any of the older youtube videos you know this. Or just listen to anything glassman says. He has made some outrageous claims that are just plain comical. Now I know some people are going to say that crossfitters have deviated themselves from glassman and HQ but the fact remains everything crossfit related goes through them. Plus you know some dbags heard glassman's claims and ate them up. This would be an awesome place to start a new paragraph... With all that said crossfitters are crazy haha. They bust their asses with their workouts. Work themselves to the bone. Train to the point of exhaustion. Personally not my style but you have to give them props for hard work even if I think it is counter productive at times.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post

    If you have ever seen any of the older youtube videos you know this. Or just listen to anything glassman says. He has made some outrageous claims that are just plain comical. Now I know some people are going to say that crossfitters have deviated themselves from glassman and HQ but the fact remains everything crossfit related goes through them. Plus you know some dbags heard glassman's claims and ate them up.
    Glassman is a tool! And not everything CF goes through him and HQ, unfortunately, just what you see on TV. And anyone with a brain knows you take what you see on TV with a grain of salt.. each gym tailors toward the goals of the trainers at that gym and the people who go there.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Epolis13 View Post
    To give you an idea of some of the #s that the best of the best are putting up: the guy who won the CF Games last year can snatch 300#. That's crazy talk.
    Rich Froning besides having great genetics basically works out for a living. He is part owner of a crossfit gym and is a strength & conditioning coach for Tenn. Tech Univ.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Wrivest View Post
    Glassman is a tool! And not everything CF goes through him and HQ, unfortunately, just what you see on TV. And anyone with a brain knows you take what you see on TV with a grain of salt.. each gym tailors toward the goals of the trainers at that gym and the people who go there.
    I did add to my post. EVERY crossfit affiliate has gone through HQ or they cant call themselves a crossfit gym. HQ can revoke an affiliate if they feel the need. And of course each box is different that goes with any gym.
    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    Rich Froning besides having great genetics basically works out for a living. He is part owner of a crossfit gym and is a strength & conditioning coach for Tenn. Tech Univ.
    Ya having goal of Rich Froning are not realistic. As said he has the genetics and his job is working out. Plus wouldn't be surprised if he was a former athlete like MOST of the crossfit competitors are.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Now I know some people are going to say that crossfitters have deviated themselves from glassman and HQ but the fact remains everything crossfit related goes through them.

    This is not true. In fact, this has actually been one of the larger points of issues taken with CF. The fact that CF HQ does not regulate/license the gyms and instructors out there. Consistency is lacking. This is how you come across horrible coaches and gyms and really good ones. There is no well defined regulatory system.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    I did add to my post. EVERY crossfit affiliate has gone through HQ or they cant call themselves a crossfit gym. HQ can revoke an affiliate if they feel the need. And of course each box is different that goes with any gym.


    Ya having goal of Rich Froning are not realistic. As said he has the genetics and his job is working out. Plus wouldn't be surprised if he was a former athlete like MOST of the crossfit competitors are.
    Pretty sure he was an athlete in high school and college. I don't remember what though.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    This is not true. In fact, this has actually been one of the larger points of issues taken with CF. The fact that CF HQ does not regulate/license the gyms and instructors out there. Consistency is lacking. This is how you come across horrible coaches and gyms and really good ones. There is no well defined regulatory system.
    I know they do a sh1t job of actually doing quality control but I though people still have to go through the HQ to get certification and call themselves an affiliate.
    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    Pretty sure he was an athlete in high school and college. I don't remember what though.
    Ya I just looked on cf website. Said he played college sports but didn't say what. Point being he probably could have competed in another sport and done well.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    I know they do a sh1t job of actually doing quality control but I though people still have to go through the HQ to get certification and call themselves an affiliate.

    Ya I just looked on cf website. Said he played college sports but didn't say what. Point being he probably could have competed in another sport and done well.

    I can't actually claim to know the details of their buisness operations, but I can point out that they have various military crossfit spots under their "affiliates" section and I know damn well the military isn't licensed with them. Some times there are licensed crossfit level whatever instructors there, but most of the time it is just us doing our own thing. I would assume that in order to use the term crossfit in their name etc there is a procedure. I wouldn't but be surprised that all is required is $$$.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    I can't actually claim to know the details of their buisness operations, but I can point out that they have various military crossfit spots under their "affiliates" section and I know damn well the military isn't licensed with them. Some times there are licensed crossfit level whatever instructors there, but most of the time it is just us doing our own thing. I would assume that in order to use the term crossfit in their name etc there is a procedure. I wouldn't but be surprised that all is required is $$$.
    I have limited knowledge myself but I am pretty you have to have a level 1 cert to call yourself a crossfit affiliate. I know the level 1 cert is $1000. Which is basically a weekend and a test. Then it is pretty much go have fun haha. If anyone wants a good read they can check this out: http://robbwolf.com/2009/11/24/the-b...certification/

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post

    I have limited knowledge myself but I am pretty you have to have a level 1 cert to call yourself a crossfit affiliate. I know the level 1 cert is $1000. Which is basically a weekend and a test. Then it is pretty much go have fun haha. If anyone wants a good read they can check this out: [/URL]
    Just read it!!! What a bunch of psycho,money hungry,back stabbing douche bags!!! Lol I applaud him for quitting and moving on with his integrity in tact!!

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Moose45 View Post

    Just read it!!! What a bunch of psycho,money hungry,back stabbing douche bags!!! Lol I applaud him for quitting and moving on with his integrity in tact!!
    Yeah I just read it too....that was pretty bad, but I'm sure the amount of D-bagness around all of the CF business people is the last thing on anyone's mind who is doing a workout....so who cares what these guys are arguing about? Ya think the CEO of planet fitness cares about anyone attending his gym, I doubt it!

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Wrivest View Post

    Yeah I just read it too....that was pretty bad, but I'm sure the amount of D-bagness around all of the CF business people is the last thing on anyone's mind who is doing a workout....so who cares what these guys are arguing about? Ya think the CEO of planet fitness cares about anyone attending his gym, I doubt it!
    It is what it is!

  27. Quote Originally Posted by theish11 View Post
    My goal is to be Better than everyone at everything
    good luck with that cause right now im the best......

    if u get jims 5/3/1 book u will want to read his condition. ive read it a few times and i want to puke everytime i do, 20 reps of 40-50yrd uphill sprints will strip fat and keep u strong.......

  28. How the hell do u dead lift 295 and squat 205
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by theish11
    How the hell do u dead lift 295 and squat 205
    ?
    What?

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    What?
    I think he's talking to me, but I'm not sure what the question is. My numbers are my numbers.
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