Training till Failure?
- 11-20-2012, 07:38 PM
- 11-20-2012, 07:46 PM
Training safely ensures you can train all your life, once you **** yourself up with injuries from bad form, everything slows and rehab is a *****.
Look at the exercise science forum, or even within this forum on how many people need help with injuries stemming from bad form.
- 11-20-2012, 07:50 PM
What works is not always optimal. There's food for thought. I don't understand why some are so quick to dismiss science. Obviously people intelligent enough to be involved in literature and research are also intelligent enough to determine whether a study is well designed and also whether or not it is applicable to certain populations. These people often have an education in the various sciences which will also involve a heavy amount of research based coursework. They are not sheep. Nobody ever discredited anecdotal evidence, however, the best combine anecdotal evidence with proven science to produce optimal results. It also drives intelligent conversation
11-20-2012, 07:53 PM
dude I never said for people to use bad form! Did u even read what wrote? U pretty much just prove my point...Originally Posted by Jiigzz
11-20-2012, 07:54 PM
11-20-2012, 08:00 PM
11-20-2012, 09:01 PM
i like science. thats why i like guys like Louie Simmons, A.S. Prilepin, Tudor Bompa, Vladimir Zatsiorsky, Fred Hatfield, and Vladimir Issurin. now i could also say i like coaches and athletes that have done amazing things. and who do you think some of the coaches are? some from the previous lists.
exercise is as much art as it is science. you cant be a great coach/athlete without knowledge of both. sure you can get there with just time under the bar. sure you can try and reinvent the wheel all over and spend decades of researching all on yourself. but that just sounds slow, inefficient and an experiment in stupid. you can read the research done on tens of thousands of people over a span of decades and at times backed up by nearly a century of evidence and use that to skip the crap and maximize the time under the bar. an even bigger better benefit is you are more likely to stay injury free and therefore be lifting many more years, therefore gaining much more than others without both sides.
even when you know the basics there is also the the lifter and this is where the art comes in. say the lifter is a powerlifter that is most motivated with a 4 day workout, lots of PRs, and hates speed work. i bet a 5/3/1 would work great for him. science says 5/3/1 works, art says 5/3/1 works for him.
wow, that really speeds up the process. without the art and focusing on science you may throw westside at him. half his main work is speed work which he hates and therefore slacks on or does all wrong. he goes way too hard on max days and gets injured. now he thinks westside sucks, but the science says it works. who is he to believe.
and the debates go on ad nauseum.
you can call me "ozzie" for short.
11-21-2012, 08:04 AM
I just read a good article in the news section of this forum by Dr Jim Stopanni about going to failure, it's a good read if you guys wanna check it out
11-21-2012, 10:05 AM
11-21-2012, 10:36 AM
11-21-2012, 10:46 AM
11-21-2012, 10:51 AM
11-21-2012, 11:02 AM
There's alot of different kind of muscle builds on people and how there body response to stimuli for instance my lifting partner can go 415 on bench and crank out 8 to 10 reps then when we drop set to 225lb he can get 15 reps where as I can't throw up the 415 for as many reps as he can but I can bust out alot more reps then him after drop setting to 225 so it's all about what gives you results if you think going to failure works for you and your getting the results you are looking for then go for it.
11-21-2012, 12:05 PM
11-21-2012, 12:09 PM
you can call me "ozzie" for short.
11-21-2012, 01:41 PM
I lift till i cant anymore and only lower lbs maybe once. and this takes about 30-50min per workout. what i do most of time. i only workout 2-4 days a week, works for me.
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11-21-2012, 02:32 PM
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