Testing 1rm deadlift each week?

  1. Testing 1rm deadlift each week?


    Hi guys - just after a bit of advice really!

    Ive recently got back into deadlifting and each week for the past month or 2 I have been attempting a new 1rm.

    First week I couldn't get 120kg up (felt form getting sloppy so stopped the lift). The week after I managed 120kg for 1.

    4 weeks on and I have consistently increased my 1rm by 5kg each week.

    Managed 135kg last week with decent form (trainer watched me).

    Question is, can I keep attempting a new 1rm each week whilst my lifts are increasing? My plan is to add 5kg each week and when these gains stop, take a week off and deload. Eg;

    Week 1: 140kg
    Week 2: 145kg
    Week 3: 150kg - failed
    Week 4: deload - 100kg for low reps
    Week 5: 145kg again
    Week 6: 150kg
    Week 7: 155kg

    If I fail my 150kg again I'd adopt a routine like 5/3/1.

    Is this dl routine okay? Any criticism? Im enjoying these weekly gains and would like to milk them for as long as possible!


  2. if you wanna get stronger lift more weight..


    or follow a proven routine, which I would strongly recommend doing instead
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332
    if you wanna get stronger lift more weight..

    or follow a proven routine, which I would strongly recommend doing instead
    If I'm lifting more weight each week then I'm getting stronger, like I say, as soon as I stall I'll switch to a proven routine.

    If I adopted the 5/3/1 routine at 120kg, and add 5kg each cycle as recommended, it would take 16weeks to get to 140kg rather than the 4 or so it's taken. Even longer if I started at the 90% of 1rm.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Wizzle47

    If I'm lifting more weight each week then I'm getting stronger, like I say, as soon as I stall I'll switch to a proven routine.

    If I adopted the 5/3/1 routine at 120kg, and add 5kg each cycle as recommended, it would take 16weeks to get to 140kg rather than the 4 or so it's taken. Even longer if I started at the 90% of 1rm.
    Slow steady progress never goes out of style. Make the switch to a proven routine.

    Good luck...

  5. Not if you want the best possible progression. The deadlift takes a big toll on the CNS and it is not the best idea to train them in that fashion every week.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  6. Your initial progress was due to a learning effect. You've become more efficient at doing the movement, you are recruiting the right muscles (and motor units) in the right order at the right times. Eventually you will top out via the learning effect, and then what? It may occur way before your goal weight in 6 weeks. You may top out the motor programming response in 2-3 weeks. In the meantime, you are not working to as hard to strengthen the muscles that go into the deadlift, like the glutes, hamstrings, and spinal erectors.

    Like previously mentioned, the deadlift has a large CNS recruitment, and CNS fatigue and drain is always a concern - a concern that will affect the rest of your lifts.

    My suggestion is to work within a program like 5/3/1 or westside for skinny bastards, etc. You can test your deadlift once every 3-4 weeks to monitor progress, and determine where the weak link is. I think over the course of 6 weeks you will see a greater improvement in the DL than with what you have proposed.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    Your initial progress was due to a learning effect. You've become more efficient at doing the movement, you are recruiting the right muscles (and motor units) in the right order at the right times. Eventually you will top out via the learning effect, and then what? It may occur way before your goal weight in 6 weeks. You may top out the motor programming response in 2-3 weeks. In the meantime, you are not working to as hard to strengthen the muscles that go into the deadlift, like the glutes, hamstrings, and spinal erectors.Like previously mentioned, the deadlift has a large CNS recruitment, and CNS fatigue and drain is always a concern - a concern that will affect the rest of your lifts.My suggestion is to work within a program like 5/3/1 or westside for skinny bastards, etc. You can test your deadlift once every 3-4 weeks to monitor progress, and determine where the weak link is. I think over the course of 6 weeks you will see a greater improvement in the DL than with what you have proposed.
    I agree with what is being said here.... sure its fun to make progress but essentially you aren't really making any progress or getting stronger... you are just getting more efficient at deadlifting...
    SFW and GFH

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Inarius
    I agree with what is being said here.... sure its fun to make progress but essentially you aren't really making any progress or getting stronger... you are just getting more efficient at deadlifting...
    I understand everyone's point about being more efficient at deadlifting rather than being stronger at it.

    But does it not make sense to increase my efficiency to the maximum level and then start the 5/3/1 routine basing my 1rm calcs off my true 1rm? rather than base them off an artificially low 1rm which is due to inefficiency?

    I don't want to sound ignorant or like I am disregarding people's valuable information, I'm just curious!

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Wizzle47 View Post
    I understand everyone's point about being more efficient at deadlifting rather than being stronger at it.

    But does it not make sense to increase my efficiency to the maximum level and then start the 5/3/1 routine basing my 1rm calcs off my true 1rm? rather than base them off an artificially low 1rm which is due to inefficiency?

    I don't want to sound ignorant or like I am disregarding people's valuable information, I'm just curious!
    You have the right train of thought concerning efficiency and technique, but a 10-20lb difference is not going to make that big of a difference in a template such as 5/3/1.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  10. I've been going through a strength phase leading into a bulk - following a Madcows 5x5 program and I've put about 40 lbs on my deadlift in the last 9 weeks. Granted, I haven't really trained the Big 3 with reps below 6-8, but I'm consistently pulling heavier each week. Deads are only programmed in once per week, but squatting heavy and doing specific squat/deadlift accessory work each week has been a great recipe for a better deadlift.

    That said, we're pushing the 5RM up each, not the 1RM, so the toll on your CNS would be different, so to answer you question, I don't think you should test your 1RM each week. As someone said above, maybe once every 3-4 weeks would be better. Just keep pulling heavy!
    Go hard. Go heavy. Never stop.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Doss View Post
    following a Madcows 5x5 program and I've put about 40 lbs on my deadlift in the last 9 weeks. Granted, I haven't really trained the Big 3 with reps below 6-8, but I'm consistently pulling heavier each week.
    huh?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post
    huh?
    Haha I meant I haven't really trained the Big 3 with reps below 6-8 before. This is my first time trying a strength program.

    Sorry for the confusion.
    Go hard. Go heavy. Never stop.

  13. There is a difference between building strength and testing strength. Read anything about west side conjugate method, Texas method, block periodization, ect. You'll fry your CNS doing 1rm every week.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    Your initial progress was due to a learning effect. You've become more efficient at doing the movement, you are recruiting the right muscles (and motor units) in the right order at the right times. Eventually you will top out via the learning effect, and then what? It may occur way before your goal weight in 6 weeks. You may top out the motor programming response in 2-3 weeks. In the meantime, you are not working to as hard to strengthen the muscles that go into the deadlift, like the glutes, hamstrings, and spinal erectors.
    I've never heard this phenomenon explained like this before. Makes perfect sense.

    Now that we've put 1 and 1 together ... this lack of an ability might account for the ability for beginners to be able to frequently (not constantly) make progress lifting near their current training 1RM - if they're not fully recruiting everything they have for the lift, they're not exactly frying their nervous system like someone who is recruiting far more muscle and motor units for the lift.

    But, they're mostly only training their nervous system for the exercise, not really the muscles. By not also hitting all the right accessories they're selling themselves short. Interesting.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by Wizzle47 View Post
    Hi guys - just after a bit of advice really!

    Ive recently got back into deadlifting and each week for the past month or 2 I have been attempting a new 1rm.

    First week I couldn't get 120kg up (felt form getting sloppy so stopped the lift). The week after I managed 120kg for 1.

    4 weeks on and I have consistently increased my 1rm by 5kg each week.

    Managed 135kg last week with decent form (trainer watched me).

    Question is, can I keep attempting a new 1rm each week whilst my lifts are increasing? My plan is to add 5kg each week and when these gains stop, take a week off and deload. Eg;

    Week 1: 140kg
    Week 2: 145kg
    Week 3: 150kg - failed
    Week 4: deload - 100kg for low reps
    Week 5: 145kg again
    Week 6: 150kg
    Week 7: 155kg

    If I fail my 150kg again I'd adopt a routine like 5/3/1.

    Is this dl routine okay? Any criticism? Im enjoying these weekly gains and would like to milk them for as long as possible!
    1RM should not be done till the end of the program. Im not sure what you doing or are attempting to do besides burning yourself out.
    Normally at the end of a program one would take a week off then attempt the 1RM.

  16. Deadlift until you plateau 2 weeks in a row then drop to your 80% and begin again. Of course it's been a long time since I was at the op's stage.
  

  
 

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